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GreenPill is about crypto-economic systems that create positive externalities for their neighbors & for the world. We explore the intersection of programmable money, game theory, & mechanism design. We search for powerful new ways to fund, design, develop, & market regenerative web3-era applications and digital assets. We launch the meme of regenerative crypto-economics into the world. Ethereum is the ultimate substrate for human coordination. Learn about the web3 builders who are solving coordination failures and creating a more regenerative infrastructure for the world using Ethereum. Take the Green Pill!

S.10 Ep.11 $170M to Fix Ethereum Security (After Another Major Hack) with Griff Green 04/24/2026

S.10 Ep.11 $170M to Fix Ethereum Security (After Another Major Hack) with Griff Green In this episode, Griff Green dives into one of the most urgent challenges in crypto today: Can Ethereum actually become safe enough for everyone? From billion-dollar hacks to AI-driven exploits, security has become the defining bottleneck for the future of decentralized systems. Griff shares lessons from over a decade in crypto from the original DAO hack to leading new efforts like the DAO Security Fund, a $170M initiative designed to fund and coordinate Ethereum security at scale. This conversation explores: • The DAO Security Fund & how it works • Turning Ethereum security into a public good • The recent wave of hacks across DeFi & Web2 • The Arbitrum Security Council decision & North Korea exploit • Why incentives for white hats are broken • AI as both the biggest threat and biggest defense • Coordination vs fragmentation in Ethereum security • Why crypto still isn’t safe for normal users • Lessons from the original DAO hack • Quadratic funding & new experiments in capital allocation • The future of public goods funding in Ethereum The core idea: Security isn’t just a feature. It’s the foundation of everything. If Ethereum can become truly safe, it won’t just compete with traditional finance it could replace it. Greenpill isn’t just about funding public goods. It’s about building systems people can actually trust. greenpill.network @owocki @greenpillnet https://x.com/griffgreen https://x.com/Giveth Some of the materials we mention in the episode: - https://x.com/thedaofund - https://qf.giveth.io/qf/apply - https://qf.giveth.io/qf Timestamps 00:00 – Intro: Greenpill & Griff Green 01:19 – What is the DAO Security Fund? 03:16 – $170M fund & Ethereum security as a public good 04:25 – The current wave of hacks (Web3 + Web2) 05:07 – AI arms race: white hats vs black hats 07:14 – Short-term risk vs long-term security 08:10 – Lindy, AI & system resilience 09:06 – Arbitrum hack situation explained 10:26 – KelpDAO exploit & systemic DeFi risk 12:50 – Why hackers didn’t move funds immediately 13:54 – Emergency governance & Arbitrum response 15:35 – Flashbacks to the original DAO hack 18:17 – The hardest part: returning funds to users 20:40 – Multi-DAO coordination problem 22:21 – Why this situation is more complex than before 23:43 – DAO Security Fund: goals & vision 26:08 – Security as a scalable public good 27:48 – Coordination vs individual defense 28:22 – Why “security” works better than “public goods” 29:10 – Why crypto still isn’t safe for normal users 30:14 – Open source vs public goods framing 31:06 – Giveth QF round & how to apply 33:33 – Expert-weighted quadratic funding experiment 36:18 – Tunable QF & improvements over past models 38:01 – Is quadratic funding still relevant? 39:06 – 10-year vision: Ethereum as global infrastructure 41:36 – Why hacks keep happening 43:17 – Misaligned incentives for white hats 44:57 – Future of public goods funding 45:21 – How the Arbitrum situation plays out 47:22 – Decentralization vs security council debate 49:11 – Social media manipulation & misinformation 50:53 – Are L2s still decentralized? 51:20 – Final call to action (QF round) 52:44 – Closing thoughts /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/41009880

VDAO Ep 11 Rethinking Systems: Resilience, Coordination & the Future We’re Building | Raphael 04/20/2026

VDAO Ep 11 Rethinking Systems: Resilience, Coordination & the Future We’re Building | Raphael In this episode, Raphael explores a fundamental question shaping our future: How do we build systems that can actually withstand uncertainty? As the world becomes more complex, interconnected, and fragile, it’s no longer enough to optimize for efficiency. We need systems that are resilient, adaptive, and aligned with human values. This conversation dives into the deeper layers of coordination beyond technology into incentives, culture, and long-term thinking. Topics covered: • Why modern systems struggle under stress • The trade-off between efficiency and resilience • Coordination challenges in decentralized systems • Cultural vs technical solutions • Designing systems that evolve over time • Incentives, behavior, and unintended consequences • Local vs global resilience • The role of communities in system design • How narratives shape the systems we build This isn’t just a conversation about infrastructure. It’s about rethinking the foundations of how we organize society. The core idea: Resilient systems don’t emerge by accident. They are designed intentionally, iteratively, and collectively. Greenpill isn’t just about better tools. It’s about building systems that can last. greenpill.network vdao.org https://x.com/JoinVDAO https://x.com/greenpillnet Timestamps 00:00 – Introduction & framing the problem 01:30 – Why resilience matters now 04:00 – The limits of current systems 07:00 – Efficiency vs resilience trade-off 10:00 – Coordination challenges 13:30 – Decentralization & its realities 17:00 – Incentives shape behavior 20:30 – Cultural vs technical solutions 24:00 – Designing adaptive systems 28:00 – Local vs global resilience 32:00 – Community as infrastructure 36:00 – Failure modes & unintended consequences 40:00 – Long-term thinking vs short-term optimization 44:00 – Narratives & system design 48:00 – What needs to change 52:00 – Final reflections 55:00 – Closing /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/40869345

VDAO Ep 10 Humans as a Keystone Species: Regeneration, Crypto & the Meta-Crisis | Gregory 04/13/2026

VDAO Ep 10 Humans as a Keystone Species: Regeneration, Crypto & the Meta-Crisis | Gregory In this expansive episode of the VDAO Series, Gregory shares a sweeping journey across ecology, permaculture, economics, crypto, and community building all anchored in a bold thesis: Humans can become a planetary keystone species. Drawing on decades of work in regenerative design, supply chains, eco-villages, and Web3 infrastructure, Gregory explores how broken relationships between humans and the biosphere sit at the root of today’s “meta-crisis” and how regeneration offers a practical path forward. From Alaska fisheries to intentional communities, from the Eight Forms of Capital to founding Regen Network, this conversation connects local land stewardship with global coordination technologies. Topics covered: • Keystone species thinking & planetary stewardship • Resilience vs antifragility in ecosystems and society • Origins in permaculture & eco-village movements • Environmentalism beyond doom narratives • Regeneration as a “third way” beyond political polarization • Degrowth vs regrowth debates • Traditional skills, technology & appropriate scale • The Eight Forms of Capital framework • Financial permaculture & local economics • Regen Network and ecological credit markets • Carbon, biodiversity & ecosystem service valuation • Blockchain as infrastructure for living capital accounting • Limits of supply-chain sustainability efforts • Personal resilience through land-based living • Rural-urban reconnection (Kuni model) • Community as the core of antifragility • Network nations & place-based coordination • Regeneration as the root solution to the meta-crisis The core message: The future isn’t choosing between nature and technology. It’s learning how to regenerate both together. greenpill.network vdao.org https://x.com/JoinVDAO https://x.com/greenpillnet https://x.com/gregory_landua https://www.registry.regen.network/team/gregory-landua Timestamps 00:00 — Introduction & Gregory’s “why” 00:44 — Humans as a planetary keystone species 03:08 — What regeneration looks like in practice 04:52 — Relationship between humanity and nature 05:37 — Resilience vs antifragility explained 07:21 — Applying resilience in everyday life 08:37 — Early roots: Alaska, fisheries & environmental science 10:55 — Frustration with doom-focused environmentalism 12:20 — Discovering permaculture & eco-villages 15:43 — From apprentice to educator & consultant 17:53 — Financial permaculture & early Bitcoin era 20:15 — Founding TerraGenesis & large-scale projects 22:08 — Optimism vs activist pessimism 24:42 — Regeneration as a “third way” 29:25 — Pre-political nature of land stewardship 31:39 — Degrowth, primitivism & collapse narratives 33:19 — Practical preparedness vs ideology 35:39 — Regrowth as a design challenge 37:38 — Critiques of techno-civilization 38:58 — Learning from diverse communities 40:56 — Back-to-the-land movements today 43:20 — Pluralism & shared human needs 45:46 — Global shifts & regenerative acceleration 47:35 — The Eight Forms of Capital framework 49:09 — Origins in financial permaculture workshops 53:36 — Regenerative Enterprise & practical tools 55:53 — Capital beyond money 57:29 — Applying the framework personally & locally 59:18 — Early path toward Regen Network 01:01:42 — Building cacao farms & regenerative supply chains 01:04:00 — Consulting with mission-driven brands 01:05:58 — Why good intentions fail in markets 01:08:06 — Need for ecological accounting systems 01:10:24 — Carbon markets & ecosystem services 01:12:49 — Regen Network’s on-chain ledger approach 01:14:25 — Moving upstream for systemic change 01:16:41 — Limits of education & consulting alone 01:18:20 — Aligning markets with regeneration 01:19:35 — Creating value systems around ecological health 01:21:52 — Crypto, fintech & systemic shifts 01:25:08 — Technology vs culture in adoption 01:26:52 — Personal resilience practices 01:27:02 — Living on land & community building 01:29:27 — Local enterprise: maple sugaring operation 01:31:41 — Kuni model: reconnecting urban & rural 01:33:36 — Relationships as true resilience 01:34:30 — Invitation to collaborate & co-create 01:36:58 — Network nations & shared infrastructure 01:39:24 — Grounding digital visions in physical places 01:41:48 — Regeneration as the solution to the meta-crisis 01:42:55 — Closing reflections /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/40621990

VDAO Ep 9 Trust, Resilience & Regenerative Systems: From Farm Roots to Blockchain Futures Donny Lewis 04/06/2026

VDAO Ep 9 Trust, Resilience & Regenerative Systems: From Farm Roots to Blockchain Futures Donny Lewis 🐦In this episode of the VDAO Series, Donny Lewis shares a deeply personal journey from growing up on a Texas farm to building decentralized systems for resilient communities worldwide. Motivated by firsthand experience with ecological degradation, centralized power structures, and broken trust in institutions, Donny explores how blockchain, local coordination, and regenerative practices can help rebuild society from the ground up. The conversation spans politics, agriculture, global travel, supply-chain transparency, microgrids, and the future of community-scale infrastructure. Topics covered: • Donny’s “why” for building in Web3 • Systems change through coordination technologies • Trust vs trustless systems • Resilience & antifragility at the community level • Local food systems and energy independence • Lessons from farming, soil degradation & industrial agriculture • Disillusionment with traditional politics • Global travel & understanding human common needs • Fast fashion waste & supply-chain opacity • Product passports & on-chain transparency • Rural communities and tech adoption • AI, automation & modern agriculture • Microgrids and energy resilience • Agrivoltaics (solar + agriculture) • Trading commodities peer-to-peer without intermediaries • Robotics and the future of labor • Why trust is the foundation of all value The core message: Resilience doesn’t start with technology. It starts with trust, relationships, and local capacity technology simply amplifies it. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 vdao.org 🐦 https://x.com/JoinVDAO 🐦 https://x.com/greenpillnet 🐦 https://x.com/Donny7Lewis Timestamps 00:00 — Introduction & Donny’s “why” 01:41 — Blockchain as a coordination unlock 04:20 — Defining resilience & antifragility 06:30 — Local food, energy & trust networks 08:37 — Trust vs trustless systems explained 10:37 — Rebuilding trust after institutional failure 11:10 — Local coordination & network communities 14:40 — Shared learning across global projects 17:45 — Why terms don’t matter trust does 19:33 — From theory to personal journey 20:28 — Growing up as a Texas farm kid 22:19 — Soil degradation & industrial agriculture 25:33 — Loss of small farms & centralization 28:23 — Entering politics to seek change 30:26 — Disillusionment with power structures 31:38 — Fashion industry & global travel years 33:44 — Universal human needs across cultures 35:42 — Discovering fashion’s environmental impact 37:01 — Supply-chain tracking & transparency 39:18 — Product IDs & blockchain verification 41:11 — Rural communities & technology adoption 44:20 — Why usefulness drives adoption 46:45 — Energy independence & microgrids 48:12 — Learning from developing regions 49:41 — Vision for the next 5 years 50:52 — Agrivoltaics & on-chain infrastructure 51:41 — Robotics & future farming 52:41 — Closing reflections 52:59 — Advice to builders: start with trust 53:51 — Outro /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/40621850

VDAO Ep.8 Building Local Resilience in Uncertain Times with Adrian 03/31/2026

VDAO Ep.8 Building Local Resilience in Uncertain Times with Adrian In this episode of the VDAO Series, Adrian shares a deeply personal and practical journey into building local resilience in an age of uncertainty. Drawing inspiration from natural ecosystems, Adrian explains how communities, families, and individuals can become more resilient by learning from nature’s ability to survive disturbance and regenerate. From urban permaculture and food systems to water independence, composting, biodiversity, and interdependence over convenience, this conversation explores what it actually means to prepare for disruption not through fear, but through stewardship. Topics covered: • What resilience really means (and what it doesn’t) • Learning from ecosystems and disturbance cycles • Building resilient families and communities • Urban homesteading & food production in cities • Calgary Harvest: community fruit-gleaning network • Rainwater harvesting & water security • Soil health, composting & regenerative gardening • Low-tech skills vs high-tech convenience • Dependency vs interdependence • Biodiversity as a resilience indicator • Challenges of inspiring change in modern lifestyles • Urban vs rural resilience • Preserving traditional skills in a globalized world • Creating local food networks & mutual aid • Practical advice for getting started The core message: Resilience isn’t about withdrawing from society. It’s about rebuilding local capacity, relationships, and ecosystems so communities can thrive through disruption. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 vdao.org 🐦 https://x.com/JoinVDAO 🐦 https://x.com/greenpillnet Timestamps 00:00 — Introduction & theme of resilience 00:35 — Adrian’s “why” for building resilience 02:35 — Uncertainty and ecosystem thinking 03:09 — Defining resilience & anti-fragility 05:44 — Wildfire ecology & renewal cycles 08:04 — Disturbance as a strengthening force 09:47 — Applying resilience to daily life 10:05 — Building community through Calgary Harvest 12:30 — Urban food networks & relationships 14:52 — Growing food, composting & soil health 16:27 — Preserving traditional skills (canning, storage) 18:46 — Moderating peaks and shortages (seasonality) 21:16 — Food, water & energy resilience domains 23:00 — Choosing low-tech skills intentionally 25:17 — Diet diversity & microbiome health 27:30 — Rainwater harvesting & drought resilience 29:51 — Infrastructure failures & local solutions 30:58 — Wellbeing benefits of resilience practices 32:13 — Role of technology vs low-tech systems 35:26 — Urban resilience vs rural resilience 38:00 — Producing significant food in cities 41:57 — Personal impacts & challenges of the journey 44:41 — Inspiring others & social barriers 46:42 — Convenience traps & modern life 48:26 — Leading by example & storytelling 50:52 — Biodiversity gains from regenerative practices 52:00 — Dependency vs interdependence 54:58 — Community exchange & local economies 56:22 — Advice for beginners: learn from ecosystems 58:46 — How nature teaches how to “make a living” 59:43 — Simplifying resilience through observation 01:00:25 — Closing remarks /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/40621825

S.10 Ep.10 AI Agents on Ethereum Inside the Emerging Agentic Economy with Austin Griffith & Zak Cole 02/09/2026

S.10 Ep.10 AI Agents on Ethereum Inside the Emerging Agentic Economy with Austin Griffith & Zak Cole New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Greenpill Podcast, Kevin Owocki is joined by Zak Cole and Austin Griffith for a live, builder-focused conversation on AI agents, OpenClaw, and the emerging agentic economy on Ethereum. They dive deep into how they’re actually running AI agents today from hardware setups and coordination layers to adversarial review loops, memory systems, and on-chain reputation. The conversation explores why agents need roles, audits, and social contracts, how ERC-8004 could enable agent discovery and trust, and why Ethereum may be the settlement layer for autonomous AI coordination. A raw, high-signal discussion for builders experimenting at the frontier of AI × crypto, touching on open source, security, reputation, payments, and what a real agent economy might look like. 🌱 greenpill.network @greenpillnet https://x.com/owocki https://x.com/0xzak https://x.com/austingriffith ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Intro: why AI agents + OpenClaw matter right now 01:20 – Bear market builders & shipping through the noise 02:10 – Productivity, GitHub graphs & AI as leverage 03:10 – Hardware setups for running AI agents 04:20 – OpenClaw stacks, Telegram, Discord & coordination 05:50 – Network effects vs building your own tools 07:00 – Agent coordination problems & feedback loops 08:30 – Assigning roles and adversarial agents 10:20 – Scalability, failover & federated agents 12:10 – Managing many models & local vs cloud LLMs 14:00 – AI productivity, family time & work-life alignment 15:55 – Treating agents like junior developers 17:25 – Auditing smart contracts with AI 18:25 – Why blockchains matter for agent coordination 19:45 – ERC-8004: discovery & reputation for agents 21:00 – Hiring agents, marketplaces & reputation systems 22:15 – Taste, marketing & why agents still fail 24:10 – Weird failures, hallucinations & trust boundaries 25:55 – Wallet security & private key nightmares 27:00 – Emergency stops, rules & critical constraints 28:20 – Memory systems: files vs databases 30:20 – Agents as relay runners (Memento analogy) 31:55 – Tokens, BankerBot & clanker launches 33:55 – Agents launching tokens accidentally 35:30 – Builders vs trenchers & social contracts 37:00 – Defining covenants for agent-run projects 38:30 – Never selling tokens & aligning incentives 40:30 – Vesting, liquidity & sustainable token models 42:30 – ETH Wingman & AI-assisted dev tooling 44:00 – Skills, MCPs & Ethereum-native agents 46:00 – Funding hardware & scaling local agents 48:00 – The singularity feels close 49:50 – Why Ethereum fits the agentic economy 51:00 – Reputation, payments & new primitives 52:45 – Where exogenous capital comes from 54:50 – AI as the new UI for crypto 56:25 – Agents coordinating real life 57:40 – Separation of personal vs work agents 58:35 – Closing reflections & what’s next /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/40042040

S.10 Ep.9: ElizaOS, FOSSRPG, and the Future of Open-Source AI Agents with Shaw 02/07/2026

S.10 Ep.9: ElizaOS, FOSSRPG, and the Future of Open-Source AI Agents with Shaw New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Greenpill Podcast, Kevin Owocki sits down with Shaw, founder of ElizaOS, to talk about AI agents, open source culture, and what it means to build meaningful systems in an age of automation. Shaw reflects on shipping ElizaOS through the bear market, lessons from agent-native games, navigating hype cycles, and why software is becoming cheaper while agency, ownership, and coordination matter more than ever. They explore AI agents as collaborators, the future of work, crypto culture, abundance networks, and why communities not speculation should define what comes next. A candid conversation about AI, culture, and building with purpose. 🌱 greenpill.network @greenpillnet https://x.com/owocki https://x.com/shawmakesmagic Some of the materials you may be interested in checking out. Join EthBoulder and see Shaw speak February 14, 2026: https://luma.com/o9qpeepn Guest Twitter/X: https://x.com/shawmakesmagic Guest Farcaster: https://farcaster.xyz/shawmakesmagic Guest Website: https://elizaos.ai ElizaOS GitHub: https://github.com/elizaOS/eliza ElizaOS Docs: https://docs.elizaos.ai ElizaOS on X: https://x.com/elizaos The Great Online Game (Packy McCormick): https://www.notboring.co/p/the-great-online-game The Meritverse (M3): https://paragraph.com/@m3org/the-meritverse Context Graphs (Foundation Capital): https://foundationcapital.com/context-graphs-ais-trillion-dollar-opportunity/ Clank Tank (M3): https://paragraph.com/@m3org/clank-tank ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Intro & why Shaw’s work matters 01:10 – Catching up after the bear market 03:00 – How Shaw’s perspective on AI has changed 05:10 – From Eliza v1 to ElizaOS 07:20 – Shipping fast & throwing code away 09:30 – AI agents as autonomous actors 12:00 – Agent-native games as experimentation spaces 15:10 – Open source, forks & losing mindshare 18:00 – Hype cycles, narratives & incentives 21:00 – Why “code is getting cheap” 24:00 – Rewriting systems & technical tradeoffs 27:00 – What AI agents still can’t do 30:00 – Builder culture vs speculation culture 33:00 – Centralized platforms & getting banned 36:00 – Decentralized social: what’s missing 39:00 – Are AI agents taking jobs? 41:30 – Meaning, agency & human creativity 44:00 – Ownership, UBI & coordination problems 46:30 – Abundance networks & positive-sum systems 49:00 – What Shaw wants to build next 51:00 – Closing thoughts /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/40028565

NN Ep:15 - Catalysing Network Nations: Movement Building with Benjamin Life & Patricia Parkinson 02/06/2026

NN Ep:15 - Catalysing Network Nations: Movement Building with Benjamin Life & Patricia Parkinson New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, Primavera De Filippi is joined by Patricia Parkinson and Benjamin Life, long-time community builders working on the OpenCivics Project, to explore how Network Nations can evolve from a conceptual framework into a real political movement. Together, they unpack what it takes to move from ideas to action: building a shared theory of change, nurturing a scenius before formal institutions, balancing commons-based governance with movement leadership, and avoiding the traps of co-optation, extraction, or techno-elitism. The conversation dives into functional sovereignty, parallel societies, movement inclusivity beyond tech, progressive protocolization, and how Network Nations might grow as a pluralistic, polycentric movement capable of real-world impact. A foundational episode on movement-building, legitimacy, and how communities can coordinate without losing their soul. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 networknations.network 🐦 @owocki @greenpillnet opencivics.co omniharmonic.com patriciaparkinson.com https://x.com/yaoeo https://x.com/kosmicgardener https://x.com/omniharmonic ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – From concept to movement: why ideas aren’t enough 01:20 – Introducing Patricia Parkinson & Benjamin Life (OpenCivics) 02:25 – Why Network Nations must become embodied in real life 04:15 – Theory of change & “parallel societies” 06:30 – Network Nations vs Network States 08:20 – Categories, scenes & movements (from idea to scenius) 10:15 – Shared culture vs shared markets 12:30 – Functional sovereignty as a unifying principle 14:25 – Vibes, aesthetics & kinship in movements 16:45 – Meta-politics vs politics 18:55 – Design criteria for healthy systems 20:50 – Territorial sovereignty & neo-colonial risks 22:55 – Who is this movement for? 26:30 – Scenius: collective genius & proximity 29:00 – Insiders, outsiders & beyonders 31:10 – Dual power & negotiating with institutions 33:15 – Forking the system (and re-merging) 35:25 – Making Network Nations inclusive beyond tech 37:45 – Web3 vs Occupy: lessons from past movements 40:05 – Centering the “why” before the tools 42:10 – Infrastructure for post-capitalist futures 44:05 – Commons governance & movement fragility 46:10 – Movements without charismatic leaders 48:15 – Progressive protocolization & anti-fragility 50:30 – Protocols as culture (Burning Man example) 52:10 – Network Nations Alliance & early constitutions 54:05 – Concrete ways OpenCivics supports the movement 55:30 – Pattern languages & civic infrastructure 57:30 – Calls, rhythms & shared artifacts 59:10 – How to get involved & closing thoughts /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/40018990

NN Ep:14 - Networked Diasporas: The Case of SeeDAO with Helena Rong 01/30/2026

NN Ep:14 - Networked Diasporas: The Case of SeeDAO with Helena Rong New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, host Felix Beer is joined by Helena Rong, Assistant Professor at New York University Shanghai, to explore SeeDAO as a real-world case study of a proto Network Nation. They unpack how SeeDAO evolved from a Web3 startup into a translocal, diasporic community rooted in Daoist philosophy, kinship, and the pursuit of a “good life.” The conversation dives into co-presence, emergence, non-coercive governance, social ledgers, on-chain identity, and how SeeDAO blends digital infrastructure with physical gathering from online town halls to rural pop-up communities in China. A rich, grounded discussion on how culture, values, and practice not just tooling shape the future of Network Nations, and what bottom-up community governance can look like beyond the Western DAO paradigm. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 networknations.network 🐦 @owocki @greenpillnet https://x.com/felix_beer https://x.com/helena__rong https://seedao.xyz/ Helena’s work on SeeDAO: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5731428 ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – From theory to practice: proto Network Nations 01:10 – Introducing SeeDAO as a case study 02:19 – Digital policy for global nomads 03:20 – Welcoming Helena Rong 04:26 – Helena’s research on SeeDAO 05:42 – SeeDAO as a Chinese-speaking DAO 08:00 – From startup to community 09:45 – COVID, isolation & diasporic connection 11:46 – What does a “good life” mean in SeeDAO? 12:30 – Daoist philosophy & Web3 13:40 – Co-presence as the foundation of community 14:55 – Emergence & non-governance as governance 16:23 – Wandering (xiaoyao) as freedom 18:09 – Culture vs tooling in Web3 communities 19:30 – Day-to-day practices inside SeeDAO 20:18 – On-chain onboarding & participation 22:32 – Reputation, contribution & governance tokens 24:38 – Blockchain as a social ledger 26:34 – Is SeeDAO a proto Network Nation? 28:31 – Translocality & offline gatherings 30:32 – Digital nomad week & rural revitalization 32:51 – DAO as scaffolding for real communities 34:48 – Instrumental vs value-driven governance 36:53 – Sovereignty, China & parallel worlds 39:02 – Network Nations alongside nation-states 41:21 – Digital nomads & rural China 43:41 – Co-presence across villagers, nomads & DAOs 45:52 – Integration, not exit 48:00 – Interoperability between communities 50:13 – Lessons from SeeDAO for Network Nations 52:13 – Helena’s research & where to find her work 53:10 – Closing thoughts /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39936175

VDAO Ep.7 From Software to Soil: Health, Food & Building Real Resilience with Danilo Da Rosa 01/26/2026

VDAO Ep.7 From Software to Soil: Health, Food & Building Real Resilience with Danilo Da Rosa New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the VDAO × Greenpill Anti-Fragile Network States mini-series, host Kris Miller speaks with Danilo, a software engineer who left city life behind to rebuild his health, relationship with food, and sense of resilience through permaculture, natural building, and community living in Uruguay. Danilo shares how a health crisis pushed him to rethink his lifestyle, why growing food changed everything, and how moving closer to nature reshaped his understanding of resilience. They explore food autonomy, water catchment, natural house building, digital tools for land design, patience as a strategy, and why community is the most important layer of resilience. A deeply human conversation about bridging technology and nature to build a regenerative, antifragile way of life. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 vdao.org 🐦 https://x.com/JoinVDAO 🐦 https://x.com/greenpillnet linktr.ee/danilo_da_rosa ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Cold open: city life, darkness & missing nature 00:59 – Danilo joins & his “why” 02:30 – Health crisis & rethinking food 03:55 – Farmers markets, seasons & nutrient-dense food 05:00 – Leaving the city for a small farm 06:45 – Technology, screens & losing connection with nature 08:05 – What resilience means on a human level 09:15 – Health challenges as antifragility 11:15 – COVID, gardens & food security 13:15 – Choosing land: early mistakes & lessons 15:00 – Advice: observe land for a full year 17:25 – Studying soil, biodiversity & local laws 18:10 – Using digital tools to assess land 19:35 – Making land-design tools free & accessible 22:00 – Water catchment & reading the land 25:55 – Rainwater systems, ponds & long-term planning 27:50 – Slow solutions & patience in permaculture 29:40 – Building a natural (cob) house 31:45 – Learning by building & skill-sharing 33:30 – Loneliness, then rediscovering community 35:45 – Mingas, workshops & social resilience 37:45 – Local materials & low-tech building 41:35 – Bridging tech skills with land stewardship 43:50 – Using software to support regeneration 45:50 – Food autonomy: annuals vs perennials 48:20 – Energy efficiency & working with nature 49:40 – One-square-meter gardens as a starting point 52:00 – Energy use, renewables & solar plans 53:15 – Advice for developers starting this journey 54:50 – Final thoughts & closing /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39878295

NN Ep:13 - Intentional Communities & New Jurisdictions with Jessy Kate Schingler 01/23/2026

NN Ep:13 - Intentional Communities & New Jurisdictions with Jessy Kate Schingler New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, Primavera De Filippi is joined by Jessy Kate Schingler, co-founder of the Embassy Network, to explore how intentional communities and new jurisdictions can give Network Nations real-world grounding. Jessy shares lessons from over a decade of building translocal co-living communities, explains why the Embassy Network thought of its spaces as “embassies to the future,” and how identity, culture, and entanglement emerge without formal membership rules. The conversation then turns to jurisdictional innovation, including Gelephu Mindfulness City in Bhutan, and how special administrative regions, charter cities, and regulatory sandboxes could act as physical anchor points for Network Nations. A rich discussion on culture, identity, subsidiarity, functional sovereignty, and how digital communities might interface with states without losing their values. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 networknations.network 🐦 @owocki @greenpillnet https://x.com/yaoeo https://x.com/jessykate ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Can Network Nations become political actors without land? 01:10 – Intentional communities vs new jurisdictions 02:25 – Introducing Jessy Kate Schingler (Embassy Network) 03:20 – What intentional communities look like today 04:45 – The origin of the Embassy Network 05:40 – “Embassies to the future” where the name came from 06:45 – Membership, curation & why formal rules failed 08:15 – Sister communities & translocal identity 09:30 – Cultural, financial & people-based entanglement 11:40 – Cultural transfusion as the strongest glue 13:00 – Financial support between community nodes 14:20 – Identity through shared people & movement 16:20 – Drift: experiments with shared currencies & mobility 18:05 – Private law vs public law in Network Nations 19:10 – Why jurisdictions matter for scaling 20:05 – Rise of new jurisdictions worldwide 21:50 – Introducing Gelephu Mindfulness City (Bhutan) 23:30 – Values, culture & mindful development 25:35 – Experimentation, subsidiarity & the “diamond strategy” 27:20 – Visas, access & digital-first services 29:35 – Jurisdictions as platforms for Network Nations 31:45 – New corporate forms & DAO-native structures 33:45 – Network state vs network nation approaches 36:05 – Polycentricity & layered governance 38:00 – Embassies as portals between cultures 40:15 – AI, credentials & future statutory innovation 42:40 – Regulatory equivalence & sandboxing 44:40 – Intentional communities vs territorial zones 46:40 – Dispute resolution as a legitimacy bridge 50:30 – Lessons from working with states 52:40 – Land policy, mutualism & functional sovereignty 54:50 – Where to follow Jessy Kate & closing thoughts /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39850090

NN Ep:12 From politics to protocols to protocol politics with Santiago Siri 01/16/2026

NN Ep:12 From politics to protocols to protocol politics with Santiago Siri In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, Primavera De Filippi speak with Santiago Siri, founder of Democracy Earth, DemocracyOS, and Proof of Humanity, to explore a central question of the digital age: Can we escape politics with protocols or do protocols simply create new political arenas? Santiago shares his journey from building Argentina’s internet political party Partido de la Red, to creating open-source democratic infrastructure, to running one of the most ambitious on-chain identity and governance experiments in Web3. They discuss identity as the core bottleneck of digital democracy, governance failures inside protocols, DAOs as political systems, AI as both promise and threat, and what Network Nations must learn from a decade of real-world experimentation. A deep, honest conversation about legitimacy, power, and why politics never disappears it just moves layers. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 networknations.network 🐦 @owocki @greenpillnet https://x.com/santisiri https://x.com/yaoeo ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Can protocols help us escape politics? 01:00 – Introducing Santiago Siri 02:15 – From activism to political parties 04:10 – Partido de la Red & proxy voting 06:40 – Using technology to modernize democracy 09:00 – DemocracyOS & global adoption 10:45 – Why political systems resist change 12:10 – The limits of centralized digital voting 14:15 – Why identity is the core problem 15:45 – Leaving politics to build infrastructure 17:50 – Democracy Earth & global pilots 20:00 – Bitcoin vs Ethereum for governance 22:00 – The birth of Proof of Humanity 24:20 – Early identity failures & attacks 26:40 – One person, one vote challenges 29:55 – Proof of Humanity mechanics explained 32:10 – UBI, incentives & DAO governance 34:40 – Delegation farming & power struggles 36:25 – Quadratic delegation as a fix 38:25 – Removing founders from power 40:25 – Identity, justice & money tensions 42:00 – AI breaks video-based identity 44:05 – Worldcoin & biometric approaches 46:30 – Protocols still create politics 48:30 – AI governance experiments 50:25 – Why AI is still unsafe for governance 52:25 – Centralized compute as a risk 54:15 – Who governs the governance layer? 56:40 – Proof of Humanity as a proto–Network Nation 58:40 – What’s missing for real Network Nations 01:00:45 – Shared identity & legitimacy 01:02:55 – Lessons from 10 years of experimentation 01:04:40 – Final lesson: legitimacy is enacted, not declared 01:07:30 – Where to follow Santiago & closing /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39756065

NN Ep:11 Let a Thousand Societies Bloom with Vitalik Buterin 01/09/2026

NN Ep:11 Let a Thousand Societies Bloom with Vitalik Buterin New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, Primavera De Filippi & Felix Beer are joined by Vitalik Buterin to reflect on one of the most influential experiments in recent community-building history: Zuzalu. Vitalik shares the motivations behind Zuzalu, what actually worked (and what didn’t), and why many pop-up cities risk drifting into “long conferences” instead of becoming real communities. Together they explore kinship vs telos, culture vs mission, permanence vs mobility, governance by forking, and how zones, tribes, and regulatory sandboxes might interlock to form durable network nations. A deep, reflective conversation on how digitally aligned communities can evolve into lasting political actors without losing their soul. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 networknations.network 🐦 @owocki @greenpillnet https://x.com/yaoeo?lang=en https://x.com/felix_beer?lang=en https://x.com/VitalikButerin https://www.zuzalu.city/ ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Why Zuzalu matters for network nations 02:20 – Introducing Vitalik & the Zuzalu experiment 03:40 – From ideas to action: why Zuzalu was created 05:40 – Bringing 200 people together for two months 07:10 – When a pop-up becomes “real life” 09:10 – Membership, visas & selective curation 11:20 – Zuzalu’s offshoots: Edge City, Vitalia & more 13:30 – Decentralizing after Zuzalu 15:30 – Why permanence matters 18:10 – Building culture through physical proximity 20:20 – Cities vs tribes vs nations 22:30 – Membership as a spectrum, not binary 24:50 – Bitcoin embassies & cultural recognition 27:00 – Interests vs vibes vs kinship 29:10 – Shared experiences as the glue of community 31:30 – Why kinship is hard to design 33:50 – Internal purpose vs external purpose 36:10 – Telos-driven communities & corporations 38:50 – Prospera, regulation & culture 41:00 – Zones as platforms for tribes 44:40 – Regulatory sandboxes & state experiments 46:50 – Libertarian vs developmentalist approaches 49:10 – Why niche cities beat generic hubs 51:40 – The “archipelago” vision 54:00 – Zones and tribes: separation or fusion? 56:00 – Governance by forking 01:10:00 – Why governance still matters 01:12:10 – Reinvigorating crypto’s political vision 01:14:10 – Low-hanging fruit for network nations 01:16:40 – Ethereum as a proto-network nation 01:17:50 – Closing thoughts /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39672205

NN Ep:10 Burning Man: Seeding a Network Nation 01/02/2026

NN Ep:10 Burning Man: Seeding a Network Nation New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, Primavera De Filippi explore one of the most influential community experiments of the last 40 years: Burning Man. They’re joined by Erika Blair, who leads engagement and network strategy at Burning Man, to unpack how a one-week event in the Nevada desert evolved into a global, year-round network of communities bound not by territory, but by shared principles, rituals, and identity. The conversation dives into the origins of Burning Man, the emergence of the 10 Principles, regional burns around the world, kinship and belonging, ritual and meaning, cultural dilution, and whether Burning Man can be understood as a real-world example of a network nation — including where it aligns, and where it diverges, from ideas like functional sovereignty and self-governance. A fascinating case study for anyone interested in network societies, collective identity, and the future of non-territorial communities. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 networknations.network https://burningman.org/ @owocki @greenpillnet ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Burning Man as a radical community experiment 02:09 – Introducing Erika Blair & her role at Burning Man 03:50 – Why Burning Man resonated as a movement 05:30 – Burning Man as a response to consumerism 07:40 – The mythic origins: burning the man on the beach 09:40 – Meaning without a fixed narrative 12:15 – What does it mean to be a “Burner”? 14:20 – Global participation beyond Nevada 17:20 – Recognizing “Burner texture” and shared ethos 18:40 – Imagining the world anew 20:30 – The 10 Principles: origins and purpose 24:00 – How regional burns emerged worldwide 27:20 – Burning Man as a “network of networks” 30:10 – Why some events are official 32:10 – Protecting culture from commodification 35:40 – Kinship, belonging, and recognition 37:50 – Decommodification and trust 40:20 – Rituals: the Man, the Temple, grief & celebration 43:20 – Full-spectrum human experience 45:20 – Popularity, scaling & cultural dilution 47:50 – Burning Man across cultures 49:20 – Is Burning Man a Network Nation? 51:30 – Functional sovereignty & working with states 53:45 – Governance, autonomy & stewardship 56:20 – Burning Man as a permission engine 58:40 – Community decision-making & slow governance 01:00:55 – The power of intrinsic motivation 01:02:40 – Building nations vs building companies 01:03:50 – Where to learn more & closing /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39590750

S.10 Ep.8 Hyperstitions: How Beliefs Become Reality in Networked Systems with Jake Hartnell 12/30/2025

S.10 Ep.8 Hyperstitions: How Beliefs Become Reality in Networked Systems with Jake Hartnell New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Greenpill Podcast, Kevin Owocki sits down with Jake Hartnell reality engineer, builder, and the mind behind ENOVA to explore the idea of hyperstitions: beliefs and narratives that become real by spreading through networks. Jake explains how hyperstitions operate as a new coordination primitive, why technologies like Bitcoin, Ethereum, and AGI can be seen as successful hyperstitions, and how tools like hyperstition markets blend prediction markets, incentives, and storytelling to drive collective action. They discuss ENOVA, egregores, cybernetic systems, futarchy, and how communities can consciously design narratives that pull the future into the present. A deep and playful conversation about memetics, crypto-economics, and how collective belief can shape the world. 🌱 greenpill.network @owocki @greenpillnet https://x.com/JakeHartnell Some of the materials we mention in the episode: https://x.com/0xEN0VA https://en0va.xyz/hyperstition ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to a new season of Greenpill 01:55 – Introducing Jake Hartnell & the idea of hyperstitions 02:45 – What is a hyperstition? (simple definition) 04:23 – Examples: AGI, Ethereum & Bitcoin as hyperstitions 06:50 – Everyday hyperstitions: lunch vs parties 08:05 – Network effects & aspirational stories 09:20 – Is Greenpill itself a hyperstition? 10:10 – What Jake is building with ENOVA 11:05 – Hyperstition markets explained 12:35 – The first hyperstition market & Goodhart’s Law 14:10 – Donation-based hyperstitions & GG / bioregional funding 16:10 – Incentivizing action, not passive prediction 18:00 – Theory of change & coordination design 19:40 – Hyperstition markets vs hyperstition itself 21:30 – Where to find ENOVA & what’s coming next 23:05 – Egregores, cybernetic systems & collective intelligence 26:15 – Making hyperstition markets permissionless 28:00 – Greenpill, regeneration & narrative power 31:55 – Phases of a hyperstition 33:20 – Futarchy & decision-making markets 35:20 – Community as the real coordination engine 36:20 – A future where DAOs work 38:15 – Collective intelligence as political power 39:50 – Closing thoughts & where to follow Jake /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39564955

S.10 Ep.7 Prosperous Software: Rethinking Open Source Funding Through Licensing 12/23/2025

S.10 Ep.7 Prosperous Software: Rethinking Open Source Funding Through Licensing New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Greenpill Podcast, Kevin Owocki talks with Raymond Cheng software engineer, researcher, and co-founder of Open Source Observer — about the Prosperous Software Movement and why open source licensing needs to evolve. Raymond explains how today’s open source economy underfunds its own foundations, why existing licenses fail to reflect modern financial realities, and how a new class of revenue-sharing licenses could sustainably fund open source dependencies. They explore the history of free software, the limits of voluntary public goods funding, the idea of “ProfitLeft” licensing, and how legal, technical, and social mechanisms including crypto could help open source creators share in the prosperity they generate. A must-listen for anyone building, funding, or relying on open source software in Web3 and beyond. Some of the materials we mention in the episode: https://tally.so/r/68LGdO https://pgf.ing/chat 🌱 greenpill.network @owocki @greenpillnet @RaymondCheng00 Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to the Greenpill Podcast 01:00 – Introducing Raymond Cheng & Open Source Observer 02:45 – The problem: funding open source sustainably 04:30 – Why public goods funding has hit its limits 06:10 – The history of free software & open source licenses 08:10 – Open source as the bedrock of the global economy 10:30 – Why current licenses ignore financial reality 12:10 – Introducing the Prosperous Software Movement 14:00 – Why licensing is a core lever of power 16:00 – Preserving open source freedoms while adding funding 18:30 – “ProfitLeft” vs traditional commercial licenses 20:30 – How revenue-sharing licenses could work 22:45 – Crypto, smart contracts & enforceability 24:50 – Legal, technical & social power combined 26:45 – Building a founding cohort of projects 28:30 – Call to action: how to get involved 30:00 – Long-term vision: prosperity for open source 31:30 – Zero-to-one adoption challenges 33:00 – Closing thoughts & where to follow Raymond /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39516855

NN Ep:9 A New Political Landscape in the Digital Age with Nick Srnicek & Sofia Cossar 12/19/2025

NN Ep:9 A New Political Landscape in the Digital Age with Nick Srnicek & Sofia Cossar New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, host Felix Beer is joined by Nick Srnicek (author of Platform Capitalism and Silicon Empires) and Sofia Cossar (BlockchainGov) to explore the emerging concept of Network Sovereignty. They unpack how power is shifting from nation-states to digital networks, why platforms now function like political infrastructures, and how algorithms, protocols, and platforms increasingly shape governance, speech, and economic life. The conversation examines platform empires, AI infrastructure, state power, civil society strategies, Web3, cooperative platforms, and what it would take to reclaim networks as democratic commons rather than extractive systems. A foundational episode for anyone trying to understand sovereignty, power, and governance in a networked world. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 networknations.network @owocki @greenpillnet ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to the Network Nations mini-series 01:30 – What are Network Nations? 02:10 – Introducing today’s topic: Network Sovereignty 02:45 – Guests: Nick Srnicek & Sofia Cossar 04:30 – Living in the network age 05:35 – Platforms as infrastructures, not just tools 07:40 – Is there an “outside” to the network? 09:45 – Modulating participation instead of exiting 11:10 – Platform capitalism & concentrated power 13:30 – From markets to empires: platforms as political actors 15:55 – Rule-making, enforcement & taxation by platforms 18:15 – AI, data centers & physical infrastructure power 20:20 – States vs platforms: dependency and conflict 22:20 – Civil society as a third force 24:30 – Three strategies for reclaiming network power 26:25 – Data centers, environment & local resistance 28:25 – Open-source AI & alternative pathways 30:30 – Workers, AI & political leverage 32:40 – What is Network Sovereignty? 35:00 – People, space & governance in network entities 37:15 – Historical examples of network sovereigns 39:05 – Platform empires vs network communities 41:20 – States reasserting control over networks 43:35 – Civil society building its own infrastructure 45:55 – Web3: political potential and risks 48:20 – Exit vs entrance as a political problem 50:05 – Cooperative platforms as real alternatives 52:20 – Why states must support alternatives 54:25 – Accelerationism, work & political power 56:40 – Technology for liberation vs profit 59:05 – Organizing movements in platform-dominated spaces 01:00:50 – Projects and researchers to follow 01:02:30 – Closing thoughts & what’s next /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39467940

VDAO Ep.6 Everyday Resilience Building Anti-Fragility in Suburbia with Gardner 12/18/2025

VDAO Ep.6 Everyday Resilience Building Anti-Fragility in Suburbia with Gardner New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the VDAO × Greenpill Anti-Fragile Network States mini-series, host Kris Miller talks with Gardner, a tech founder exploring how local resilience and self-sovereignty can be built without going off-grid. Gardner shares his hands-on journey of transforming a suburban home into a more resilient system from rainwater harvesting and food forests to community reciprocity and mindset shifts. They discuss why resilience doesn’t mean bunkers or isolation, how small actions compound, and why investing in community, not fear, is the real path to anti-fragility. A grounded, practical conversation for anyone curious about building resilience right where they live. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 vdao.org 🐦 🐦 🐦 Timestamps 00:00 – Cold open: collapse, bunkers & “the power is still on” 01:08 – Gardner joins & his “why” as a builder 02:21 – Building a better future through local resilience 03:50 – IRL + URL coordination and finding your tribe 06:04 – Self-sovereignty vs community: not opposites 08:55 – Suburban fragility & reliance on centralized systems 10:18 – Resilience doesn’t mean going off-grid 11:30 – First steps: rainwater harvesting at home 12:38 – Water ethics, pools & responsibility 14:25 – Learning by doing: how much water you can actually catch 16:16 – Nature’s ability to self-filter water 18:06 – Reducing water demand through hardscaping 19:55 – Destruction as a forcing function for better design 22:36 – Upcycling, free resources & neighbor collaboration 24:31 – Food forests, edible ground cover & rethinking lawns 26:30 – Growing food as “printing yield” 28:31 – Optimism, effort & real sacrifices 30:38 – Family trade-offs & finishing the project 32:58 – “Should I be building a bunker?” 35:19 – The reality behind fast YouTube tutorials 39:06 – Action over fear: doing something tangible 41:02 – Investing in community through shared spaces 43:04 – Turning lawns into food forests at scale 45:06 – Scaling local resilience: resources & accountability 49:07 – Why people think about collapse but don’t act 50:54 – Fear vs empowerment in suburban resilience 52:46 – Vision for communal learning spaces (“Wee Woods”) 54:07 – Closing thoughts: start small, build, and be free /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39428030

NN Ep:8 Functional Sovereignty: Can Network Nations Self-Govern Without Land? 12/18/2025

NN Ep:8 Functional Sovereignty: Can Network Nations Self-Govern Without Land? New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, host Primavera De Filippi speak with Morshed Mannan (European University Institute) and Neil Walker (author of Sovereignty in Transition) to explore one of the most challenging ideas in political theory today: Functional Sovereignty. They discuss whether sovereignty can be unbundled into separate functions like identity, finance, and dispute resolution — and what it means when digital communities begin exercising these powers without controlling land. Together they examine historical precedents, overlapping authorities, private platform power (Amazon, Meta), self-determination, legitimacy, polycentric governance, and how decentralized infrastructure may enable network nations to achieve real autonomy. A foundational conversation for understanding how communities can self-govern in the networked age. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 networknations.network 🐦 @owocki @greenpillnet https://x.com/MannanMorshed Timestamps 00:00 – Cold open: “Functional sovereignty is an oxymoron. 01:34 – What is functional sovereignty? 02:18 – Introducing guests: Morchette Mannan & Neil Walker 03:48 – Traditional sovereignty vs non-territorial sovereignty 06:14 – How communities govern identity, finance & dispute systems 07:20 – Unbundling sovereignty into multiple functions 08:25 – Historical evolution of sovereignty (dynastic → modern state) 10:50 – Early cracks: EU autonomy without exclusivity 13:09 – Examples of functional sovereignty (EU, monetary union, etc.) 16:42 – Guild socialism & industrial self-governance 18:20 – Decentralized constitutionalism in Yugoslavia 19:08 – Citizens as the sovereign, not territory 20:44 – Are Big Tech platforms (Amazon/Facebook) functional sovereigns? 23:24 – Digital proximity & affinity in network communities 25:29 – Declarative vs constitutive sovereignty 27:18 – Corporate sovereignty vs democratic sovereignty 29:33 – Power vs authority: who is the real sovereign? 31:58 – Sovereignty as a discursive claim 33:48 – Why Network Nations seek functional, not declarative, sovereignty 35:50 – Self-determination vs sovereignty 37:00 – The paradox of self-constitution 39:24 – How multiple sovereigns overlap (polycentricity) 41:34 – Managing conflict in overlapping jurisdictions 43:15 – Constitutions and polycentric coordination 45:21 – Who decides who decides? 47:42 – Multi-level governance & territorial scaffolding 49:36 – Functional domains: art, science, data, digital systems 51:38 – How functional sovereignty works in practice 53:22 – Cooperatives as real examples of mutual self-governance 55:43 – Cross-border recognition & legal frameworks 58:05 – What law can and cannot do in digital governance 01:00:06 – Why Network Nations require hybrid (digital + physical) presence 01:02:29 – Decentralized infrastructure as sovereign infrastructure 01:04:08 – Can network nations coexist peacefully with states? 01:06:20 – States’ anxiety about digital communities 01:08:42 – Politics, culture & technological migration 01:10:00 – Closing /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39381245

VDAO Ep.5 Building Local Anti-Fragility Bitcoin, Permaculture & Community Resilience w Steph Curdy 12/09/2025

VDAO Ep.5 Building Local Anti-Fragility Bitcoin, Permaculture & Community Resilience w Steph Curdy New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the VDAO × Greenpill Anti-Fragile Network States mini-series, host Kris Miller talks with Steph Curdy — Bitcoin early adopter, Wolfram researcher, and real-world resilience builder who traded city life for a hands-in-the-soil permaculture experiment. Steph shares how Bitcoin shaped his understanding of asymmetry, how COVID exposed the fragility of urban systems, and why he decided to buy land, build food and energy resilience, and grow a local community around it. They explore anti-fragility, decentralized systems, gradients, permaculture design, skepticism, community trust, and why people — not tomatoes — are the real value in any resilient ecosystem. A grounded, practical and inspiring look at how digital builders can become real-world resilience builders. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 vdao.org 🐦 https://x.com/JoinVDAO 🐦 https://x.com/Steph_Curdy 🐦 https://x.com/greenpillnet ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Cold open: “The real value is community, not tomatoes.” 01:24 – Welcome to the VDAO Anti-Fragile Network State season 02:19 – Steph Curdy joins the show 02:44 – Steph’s “why” as a builder 03:50 – Bitcoin, energy & curiosity 05:48 – What anti-fragility means to Steph 07:30 – Bitcoin as asymmetric exposure 08:55 – COVID revealing urban fragility 09:38 – Searching for land & building resilience 11:35 – Bitcoin as a “Cambrian explosion” of economic primitives 13:32 – Returning to foundational systems: food & nature 15:46 – Steph’s background: Tesla → finance → Wolfram 17:31 – Discovering permaculture 19:11 – Emergence: crypto, permaculture & meta-crisis spaces 20:56 – Sensemaking through energy gradients 22:52 – History & first-principles thinking 25:05 – Using gradients to understand Bitcoin 26:55 – How Steph thinks about skeptics 28:51 – Money as information & coordination 30:27 – Listening as a core civic skill 32:25 – Crypto insecurity & ecosystem overwhelm 34:44 – Quality-of-life benefits of resilience 36:24 – Buying land: the practical journey 38:46 – Turning a junk site into regenerative opportunity 41:10 – Building trust with neighbors 42:58 – Year-by-year development of the land 45:02 – Insight: community is the real value 47:29 – Mushroom systems, events & collaborative building 49:28 – Crypto × permaculture: bridging the worlds 51:51 – Polarization & public perception 54:30 – Digital + physical sovereignty 57:03 – What Steph learned building in real life 59:49 – Closing thoughts 01:00:32 – Outro /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39335095

NN Ep:7 Meta-Politics: Designing Digital Environments for Civic Power with Audrey & Nathan Schneider 12/06/2025

NN Ep:7 Meta-Politics: Designing Digital Environments for Civic Power with Audrey & Nathan Schneider New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, Primavera De Filippi & Felix Beer speak with Audrey Tang, former Digital Minister of Taiwan, and Nathan Schneider, professor and author of Governable Spaces. Together they explore Meta-Politics — the foundational design of digital infrastructures that shape how civil society governs itself online. Audrey and Nathan discuss how platforms today constrain collective action, how democratic protocols like alignment assemblies can counter online harms, and why new governance substrates must embed values such as plurality, civic care, interoperability, and entanglement. They also examine decentralized identities, freedom of movement, DAOs, religion as governance, and how network-native communities can evolve into political actors. A powerful conversation about the next layer of digital democracy — and what it takes to build civic technologies that empower global communities. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 networknations.network @owocki @greenpillnet @audreyt @ntnsndr 00:00 – Cold start 02:18 – Introducing Audrey Tang & Nathan Schneider 03:07 – Nathan: “Why I worry about the word meta” 05:10 – Nation-states as fragile historical accidents 06:15 – Self-governing online networks as new politics 08:16 – How today’s platforms limit civic life 10:22 – Blockchains break the server–client power structure 12:17 – Nation-states reacting to decentralized governance 14:33 – Audrey: Democracy as a “social technology” 16:37 – Deepfakes, alignment assemblies & Taiwan’s model 18:33 – Crowdsourced policymaking at national scale 20:49 – Freedom of movement & interoperability design 22:48 – What Network Nation aims to build 24:52 – Audrey’s “Six-Pack of Care” 27:13 – Embedding civic care into protocols 29:21 – Bridging systems & depolarization 31:33 – What values can — and cannot — be encoded 33:28 – Forking, polycentric governance & metastability 35:52 – Norms vs code: where power really lives 37:41 – How decentralized tech forces governance innovation 39:51 – Why cooperatives aren't enough for politics 42:13 – Religion as a governance model for network nations 45:17 – Open movements & global political power 47:15 – Civil society as a political actor 49:40 – Verifiable credentials & protecting deliberation 51:52 – Avoiding dystopia & VC-dominated “network states” 54:17 – Funding, incentives & getting there first 56:43 – Poison pills & preventing bad governance 58:39 – Scaling across vs scaling up 01:00:44 – Fractal scaling & mutualization 01:02:53 – Naming as the first political act 01:05:59 – Different starting points for network nations 01:08:15 – Diversity, plurality & collective action 01:10:29 – Making conflict fun through bridging 01:12:41 – Innovation amnesia & protecting past wins 01:14:42 – Values vs opinions in political communities 01:16:37 – Civic care vs individual virtue ethics 01:19:00 – Entanglement as cohesion 01:21:11 – Building a narrative that reaches real people 01:23:25 – Applying meta-politics to global crises 01:25:46 – Everyday tools already enabling the future 01:26:51 – Closing /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39306815

S.10 Ep.6 Public Goods Funding in 2026 & What Builders Should Do Next with Vitalik ButerinVitalik Buterin on Public Goods Funding in 2026 : Mechanisms, Money & What Builders Should Do Next 12/04/2025

S.10 Ep.6 Public Goods Funding in 2026 & What Builders Should Do Next with Vitalik ButerinVitalik Buterin on Public Goods Funding in 2026 : Mechanisms, Money & What Builders Should Do Next In this episode of the Green Pill Podcast, Kevin Owocki and co-host Devansh Mehta sit down with Vitalik Buterin for their annual deep dive into the future of public goods funding in the Ethereum ecosystem. They explore where funding will come from in 2026, how the landscape has shifted from “vibes-based” funding to verifiable, dependency-driven mechanisms, and why this is the best moment to reform PGF using new tools like programmable cryptography, AI-assisted evaluation, and deep funding models. Vitalik also shares how he thinks about dependencies, credible neutrality, open-source licensing, pluralism, accountability, and what builders should prioritize in the coming year. A must-listen for anyone designing mechanisms, funding public goods, or building the next era of Ethereum governance. 🌱 🌐 Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to the Green Pill Podcast 01:50 – Vitalik joins: why public goods funding matters 02:19 – Why PGF is essential for decentralization 04:18 – The crypto spirit: censorship resistance, institutional design & funding 06:42 – The shift from vibes-era PGF to verifiable mechanisms 08:25 – Why 2026 is the best moment to reform PGF 10:19 – Where does PGF money actually come from? 12:45 – Open-source licensing, taxes & funding dependencies 17:34 – “Fund your dependencies” as a stable mechanism 19:35 – Why general-purpose QF doesn’t work in a chaotic world 21:59 – Bottom-up vs top-down: polycentric PGF 25:29 – How to create accountability loops in public goods 27:22 – Funding open-source as an Ethereum priority 29:31 – Privacy as a public good & why it’s upstream of PGF 31:54 – What OSS developers really think about crypto 33:52 – Mixing social outreach with financial support 35:56 – What should PGF builders focus on in 2026? 38:13 – Work with new projects, not legacy ones 39:44 – Ecosystem cycles & “layers of sediment” 41:39 – Yield-based funding (Octant) & treasury strategies 43:40 – Accountability: from vibes to rigorous mechanisms 47:35 – Motivation, feedback & the psychology of public goods 50:43 – Profit sharing licenses & sustainable PGF pools 53:46 – Security, issuance & public goods 56:12 – Technology, democracy & long-term risks 58:31 – How PGF relates to DIAC (Defensive/Decentralized Acceleration) 01:00:05 – Solving the free-rider problem without coercion 01:02:12 – Mechanisms vs coercion: credible neutrality 01:04:16 – Institutions, power & capture risks 01:06:16 – Individuals vs institutions in PGF 01:08:41 – Why PGF is more error-tolerant than governance 01:11:01 – Pluralism: many funders, many mechanisms 01:13:14 – Why diversity of funders is healthy 01:15:17 – What Vitalik wants built next 01:17:12 – Ethereum localism & real-world experiments 01:19:28 – What success in PGF looks like by end of 2026 01:24:28 – Closing thoughts /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39268590

VDAO Ep.4 : Pop-Up Cities, Membership Models & Network Societies with Chance McAllister 12/01/2025

VDAO Ep.4 : Pop-Up Cities, Membership Models & Network Societies with Chance McAllister New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the VDAO × Greenpill Antifragile Network States mini-series, host Kris Miller talks with Chance McAllister, one of the early builders shaping the pop-up village movement and researching how global communities form identity, belonging, and support systems. Chance McAllister shares how a simple Discord link created a high-talent online community, how pop-up cities exploded from one experiment to dozens worldwide, and why digital nomads are searching for deeper social infrastructure. They explore informal safety nets, civil society history, global “dark talent,” and what we can learn from groups like the Mennonites as we design the next generation of network societies. A thoughtful, human-centered conversation for anyone exploring community, belonging, and new models of membership across borders. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 vdao.org https://x.com/JoinVDAO https://x.com/chancecollabs?s=20 https://x.com/0xkrisv https://x.com/greenpillnet 🌐 Timestamps 00:00 – Cold open 00:24 – What “network state” means to Chance 01:14 – Chance’s personal “why” 02:40 – Network societies as an umbrella concept 04:22 – The diversity inside the movement 05:49 – How Chance entered the space 07:27 – Accidentally creating a high-talent Discord 09:27 – Formal vs informal safety nets 12:11 – Unlocking global talent 14:19 – Origins of pop-up villages 16:22 – Zuzalu & the first big experiment 18:19 – Why Chance started researching pop-up cities 20:22 – Civil society & mutual aid history 22:42 – “Summer camps for nomads?” critique 24:52 – Permanent hubs vs pop-ups 28:59 – Demand for new communities 30:59 – The Mennonite example 35:08 – Why jurisdictions welcomed them 37:33 – Lessons for network builders 41:54 – Building identity & membership 48:39 – The future of membership models 55:35 – Designing new societal structures 58:51 – Closing thoughts /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39221600

Network Nations Ep:6 Regen: Toward a Network Nation Identity, Commons & Collective Agency 11/28/2025

Network Nations Ep:6 Regen: Toward a Network Nation Identity, Commons & Collective Agency New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, host Primavera De Filippi brings together Kevin Owocki (Greenpill / Gitcoin), Austin Wade Smith(Regen Network), and Monty Merlin (ReFi DAO) to explore whether the global Regen movement is evolving into a proto–Network Nation. They discuss Regen’s shared identity, the rise of ecological state protocols, DAO-of-DAOs coordination, distributed governance, bioregional + digital hybrid communities, and how entanglement, values, and collective purpose shape the next civic era. This is a foundational conversation for anyone interested in how ecological stewardship, Web3 coordination, and cultural identity can weave into a new form of civil society. 🌐 networknations.network 🌱 greenpill.network @owocki @_newcubes_ @MontyMerlin_ @greenpillnet Timestamps 00:00 – Cold open 00:59 – Welcome to the Network Nations mini-series 02:20 – Meet the guests: Kevin, Austin & Monty 03:22 – Is the Regen movement a proto–Network Nation? 05:13 – Austin: How Regen Network began 09:25 – Kevin: Gitcoin, Greenpill & regenerative culture 13:40 – Monty: The origins of ReFi DAO 17:31 – Are Regen communities forming a “network of networks”? 19:10 – Shared Regen identity & culture 21:32 – Holding digital and bioregional worlds together 23:46 – Activism vs community-driven identity 26:09 – What makes someone a “Regen”? 29:07 – Mission-driven vs identity-driven motivation 32:45 – Is Regen becoming a nation-like identity? 38:17 – What “nation” means for Greenpill 40:33 – Toward Ethereum localism & civic public goods 42:00 – How the Regen groups collaborate today 47:12 – DAO of DAOs: emerging interwoven coordination 49:32 – What is “entanglement” between communities? 51:30 – Structural vs economic entanglement 54:40 – Reputation as a binding force 56:30 – Co-living & real-world Regen communities 58:23 – The next step: unlocking capital flows 01:00:35 – How a Regen Network Nation might emerge 01:04:16 – Closing thoughts from guests /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39197275

VDAO Ep.3 Designing Antifragile Systems Regeneration, Nature & Decentralization with Rob Avis 11/24/2025

VDAO Ep.3 Designing Antifragile Systems Regeneration, Nature & Decentralization with Rob Avis New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the VDAO x Greenpill Antifragile Network States mini-series, host Kris Miller talks with Rob Avis, a permaculture educator, systems thinker, and co-founder of Fifth World. Rob shares his journey from industrial food and oil & gas to regenerative design, and explains how nature, decentralization, and appropriate technology can help humanity build antifragile food, energy, and water systems. They explore regeneration, feedback loops, digital tools, beaver-built ecosystems, community resilience, and how to inspire the next generation of earth stewards. A deeply optimistic, practical, and inspiring conversation for anyone building toward a resilient future. 🌱 greenpill.network 🌐 fifthworld.io vdao.org https://x.com/JoinVDAO https://x.com/rob_5thworld https://x.com/greenpillnet 🌐 Timestamps 00:00 – Cold Start 01:15 – Rob Avis joins the show 01:38 – Childhood roots: seeing the Amazon rainforest destroyed 04:01 – Cutting down forests in oil & gas the turning point 06:20 – Traveling the world to study energy, food & water systems 08:04 – Cheesecake factories, industrial food & system awareness 09:45 – What antifragility really means 12:06 – The three states: fragile, resilient, antifragile 13:43 – Human body as an antifragile system 16:08 – Ecosystems as antifragile, syntropic systems 18:18 – Why “sustainability” is not enough 20:07 – Regeneration: leaving systems better than we found them 22:17 – The beaver example; disturbance as healing 24:00 – Humans as positive ecological disruptors 25:42 – The “woo-woo” critique of regenerative movements 28:04 – Pragmatic regen: examples from large-scale farmers 30:28 – Using appropriate tools not dogma 32:51 – Global regeneration examples (Saudi, India, China) 35:09 – Land vs tech: bridging permaculture and crypto cultures 36:58 – 10,000 years of “deforest, plow, desertify” 39:24 – How digital tools enable better ecological feedback 41:51 – Tech vs nature: design the right balance 44:00 – Vitalik’s techno-optimism & defensive accelerationism 45:19 – Decentralization as a natural principle 47:01 – From activist to humanist 49:00 – Everything gardens — humans included 51:18 – The biggest challenge: changing mindsets 53:29 – Fifth World: decentralized food, energy & water systems 55:48 – Case study: regenerating a desert property into abundance 58:14 – Why people crave reconnection with land & nature 59:57 – How urban renters can start (the Apple Harvest story) 01:02:37 – Community orchards & urban abundance 01:04:41 – Inspiration vs fear: how to steer the canoe 01:06:48 – Healing ourselves to heal ecosystems 01:09:09 – Bridging crypto + nature: governance & invisible structures 01:11:33 – A call for collaboration (real-world builders hackathon?) 01:13:22 – Regeneration as enlightened self-interest 01:14:40 – Final thoughts: do we want to be on the extinction list? /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39149320

Network Nations Ep:5 What Makes a Nation? Identity, Belonging & Digital Communities 11/21/2025

Network Nations Ep:5 What Makes a Nation? Identity, Belonging & Digital Communities New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, host Primavera De Filippi sits down with Liav Orgad, Rainer Bauböck, and Yancey Strickler to explore one of the biggest questions of the digital age: Can communities built online become real political communities or even nations? They discuss how digital proximity, shared identity, translocal culture, and decentralized governance may lead to new forms of belonging beyond borders. The conversation dives into nationhood, coercion vs. voluntary membership, diaspora models, digital tribes, “dark forests,” and what political agency looks like when communities coordinate across the world without territory. 🎧 Learn more → networknations.network 🌱 greenpill.network 🐦 @owocki @greenpillnet x.com/OrgadLiav x.com/ystrickler https://www.ystrickler.com/ 🌐 Timestamps 00:00 – Cold Start 00:29 – Welcome to the Network Nations mini-series 01:31 – What are network nations? A new space for civil society 03:53 – Introducing today’s guests 05:22 – Are translocal digital communities forming new identities? 07:42 – Digital proximity vs territorial proximity 09:52 – Are these real political communities or just civil society? 12:13 – Coercion, birthright, and the nature of political membership 13:41 – Cloud communities vs nation-states 15:57 – Crisis of governance and the need for new models 17:58 – Internet culture reshaping society 20:21 – Will digital communities become private states? 22:36 – Intrinsic purpose vs instrumental communities 24:46 – Can network nations scale without becoming homogeneous tribes? 27:08 – Internet power, dark forests & new kinds of institutions 29:27 – How culture emerges in online spaces 31:31 – Are we witnessing a new form of governance? 33:35 – What’s actually “new” about network nations? 38:00 – Identity, ethnicity & digital self-government 40:15 – Diaspora parallels and non-territorial belonging 42:34 – Overlapping sovereignties & cross-border kinship 44:56 – Religion & non-territorial governance analogies 46:23 – Redistributing political power beyond the state 48:37 – Tribalism vs human flourishing 50:38 – Closing reflections + where to follow the guests /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39120320

Book Launch: The Network Firm, Rethinking Capital Allocation in the Age of Blockchain & AI 11/20/2025

VDAO Ep.2 Digital Tools for Antifragile Network States with Simon Brown 11/17/2025

VDAO Ep.2 Digital Tools for Antifragile Network States with Simon Brown New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the VDAO x Greenpill Antifragile Network States mini-series, hosts Marc Ziade & Kris Miller sit down with Simon Brown longtime Ethereum builder and lead of the ConsenSys Network State initiative. They explore how digital coordination tools like MetaMask, Infura, Linea, DAOs, token networks, and on-chain identity form the operational software layer for future antifragile societies. Simon breaks down what network states really are, why the concept predates crypto, how Ethereum enables global community formation, and how capital formation, shared values, and founder networks could power the next generation of sovereign digital communities. This episode is essential listening for anyone building toward self-sovereign, decentralized, resilient civilizational systems. 🐦 @owocki @greenpillnet https://x.com/0xkrisv https://x.com/ZiadeMarc https://x.com/joinvdao 🌐 Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to the VDAO Antifragile Network States mini-series 00:32 – From fragility to antifragility: why digital tools matter 01:40 – Introducing guest Simon Brown (ConsenSys Network State) 02:09 – What is a network state? Why no one agrees on a definition Origins & Influences 03:10 – Network states before crypto: McLuhan, global villages & sovereign individual 04:28 – The lineage of the network state idea 06:04 – Builders looking beyond the limits of nation-states 07:15 – Simon’s motivation: from Ethereum hacker to network-state thinker Ethereum as the Root Layer 08:30 – Ethereum as sociotechnology, not just technology 09:57 – Why the ecosystem keeps innovators engaged 12:05 – How “network states” entered mainstream crypto conversations 14:04 – Network-state momentum over the last year Motivations & Narratives 15:38 – Are builders really searching for post-nation-state models? 16:22 – Why the idea must translate into real-world benefits 18:17 – Ethereum + network states = practical sociopolitical tooling 20:31 – Dapps today as institutions of tomorrow Successful Experiments 22:14 – Permanent hubs: Zuzalu, Prospera, Esmeralda, Frontier Tower 23:55 – Why permaculture & commons movements align with network states 24:28 – Inspiring real-world examples outside crypto Nation-States vs Digital Nations 26:56 – How online communities form identity without geography 28:47 – Feeling “more digital than national” 30:51 – The role of values, narratives & legitimacy 32:45 – Network states can be utopian… or dystopian 34:22 – Google, Tesla, Meta as proto-network states Crypto, Power & Sovereignty 36:29 – How Ethereum can level the playing field 38:11 – Institutional adoption vs the deeper purpose 40:32 – Using crypto to replace outdated financial infrastructure 42:25 – Ethereum as the only truly decentralized base layer Physical Infrastructure & Sovereignty 44:39 – Do network states need land? The IRL question 46:48 – When physical hubs strengthen diplomacy & bargaining power 48:44 – Why territory is optional—not essential 50:30 – Cloud dependence, AWS outages & infrastructure sovereignty Diplomatic Recognition 52:34 – Is recognition by states important? Simon’s answer: “Not really.” 54:12 – VDOW’s position: political sovereignty is optional Capital Formation & Founder Networks 57:45 – Disintermediation from finance → to every layer of society 59:55 – Why building must come before defining 01:01:56 – Crypto’s capital problem: broken incentives, extraction, toxicity 01:03:59 – Why Linea sees itself as a digital economic network 01:06:20 – ConsenSys Network State & aligned values 01:07:29 – Toward a tokenized, decentralized future What’s Coming Next 01:09:18 – Founder networks: new capital formation infrastructure 01:11:38 – Rewriting the playbook for funding, ownership & governance 01:13:39 – Thoughts on the Coinbase acquisition & market signals 01:15:31 – Innovation returning to early Web3 roots Values & Collective Identity 01:17:47 – Why defining values matters more than definitions 01:20:05 – DAO-like equity swaps & polycentric governance 01:21:30 – The Ethereum Values experiment with Intuition Protocol 01:23:55 – Community-generated values as a “moral commandment” Final Section 01:25:39 – Bottom-up values as the core of digital nations 01:27:31 – Prediction markets, TCRs, and future coordination tools 01:29:19 – How to follow CNS Labs & the upcoming founder network launch 01:31:00 – Closing thoughts: the work ahead /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39059290

Network Nations Ep:4 Entanglement: Building Voluntary Interdependencies 11/14/2025

Network Nations Ep:4 Entanglement: Building Voluntary Interdependencies New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, hosts Primavera De Filippi explore the idea of entanglement the voluntary interdependencies that turn loose networks into cohesive, resilient communities. They’re joined by Jon Hillis (Cabin / Neighborhood Village Project) and Timour Kosters (EdgeCity), two builders experimenting with new forms of communal life. Together they discuss how DAOs, pop-up cities, shared rituals, physical infrastructure, and collective work can create the deeper social ties needed for future network nations. If you're curious how civil society can organize beyond states and startups through kinship, cooperation, and shared purpose this conversation is foundational. 🌐 networknations.network 🌱 greenpill.network 🐦 @owocki @timourxyz @JonathanHillis @greenpillnet 🌐 Timestamps 00:00 – Cold Start 01:02 – What are Network Nations? Communities as shared commons 02:20 – Theme of the episode: entanglement as voluntary interdependence 03:26 – Introducing guests: Jon Hillis (Cabin) & Timour Kosters (EdgeCity) Origins & Stories 05:08 – John’s story: leaving Instacart to build a village in Texas 07:15 – The Cabin experiment and why the DAO eventually shut down 09:00 – Governance stalemate: misaligned token-holder incentives 10:39 – Timur’s story: Zuzalu, EdgeCity & pop-up civic experiments 12:56 – Why pop-up villages unlock deeper, experimental governance Community, Infrastructure & Entanglement 14:55 – Community vs infrastructure: which comes first? 17:19 – Why communities deepen through building things together 19:15 – Doing as a means to the end: community itself 20:40 – Co-creation at EdgeCity: rituals, workshops, shared work Citizens vs Users 23:04 – The identity question: are members users, consumers, or citizens? 25:05 – Why financial incentives conflict with community values 27:26 – The tension between startups, DAOs & community networks 29:46 – Events create more value than the event business model The Commons & Institutional Dualities 31:29 – Government vs startups: opposite systems, opposite incentives 33:41 – Entanglement as an alternative to monitoring & sanctions 35:42 – Why scale changes everything in community coordination 38:04 – Social debt & reciprocity as natural entanglement Examples of Entanglement in Practice 40:01 – Why people volunteer without financial incentives 42:23 – Imagined communities: identity across thousands 44:31 – Social entanglement vs economic & structural entanglement Levels of Entanglement 46:38 – The four layers: social → cultural → economic → structural 48:35 – Why “forced entanglement” risks cult dynamics 50:55 – Healthy communities rely on voluntary exit 53:05 – Entanglement as a continuum: user → participant → citizen Future Mechanisms 54:58 – What future entanglement systems might look like 57:04 – Missing pieces: identity layers, governance, shared resources 59:02 – Why place is the strongest form of entanglement Closing 01:00:16 – Explaining entanglement to a 5-year-old: interdependence 01:01:42 – Final words from John & Timour /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/39033785

VDAO: Ep-1 The Next Supercycle — Joseph Lubin on Trustware, Network States & an Antifragile Future 11/10/2025

VDAO: Ep-1 The Next Supercycle — Joseph Lubin on Trustware, Network States & an Antifragile Future New @greenpillnet pod out today! 🌐 In this episode of the VDAO x Greenpill mini-series, hosts Marc Ziade & Kris Miller talk with Joseph Lubin co-founder of Ethereum and founder of ConsenSys about the Next Supercycle and how decentralized trust can power a more antifragile, post-scarcity civilization. They explore how Trustware, AI, and network states are reshaping the foundations of society from financial systems to energy, data, and governance. Lubin also shares how ConsenSys, Linea, and decentralized protocols can help humanity transition toward resilient, self-sovereign systems that thrive through stress and change. 🎧 Learn more → greenpill.network 🐦 @owocki @greenpillnet https://x.com/0xkrisv https://x.com/ZiadeMarc https://x.com/joinvdao https://x.com/ethereumJoseph 🌐 Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to the VDAO x Greenpill mini-series: Antifragile Network States 01:00 – Introducing guest Joseph Lubin co-founder of Ethereum & founder of ConsenSys 02:20 – How Joseph discovered Bitcoin and the origins of Ethereum 04:00 – Early doubts about global finance and the rise of decentralized trust 06:00 – What is a Supercycle and how it defines global transitions 08:30 – The Fourth Turning: cyclical history and economic reset theory 10:40 – Why we’re at the midpoint of the fourth turning a new system emerging 12:10 – From top-down control to decentralized horizontal coordination 14:30 – How decentralized trust enables a sturdier social fabric 16:00 – The end of scarcity and the rise of post-scarcity creativity 17:40 – Collapse as evolution: why breakdowns create progress 19:10 – The birth of Trustware replacing Big Tech with transparent coordination 21:00 – Software ate the world, now Trustware will heal it 22:40 – Ethereum as the foundation for global decentralized trust 25:00 – Trust as a new global commodity and economic layer 27:20 – AI vs decentralization why they must coexist 29:10 – The hybrid human–machine intelligence future 31:30 – Decentralized AI training and tokenized incentives 33:00 – Trustware beyond code: decentralizing physical infrastructure 35:00 – Building antifragile systems for food, energy, and housing 37:00 – Learning from nature: decentralization as evolution 38:20 – The meaning of antifragility in the context of network states 39:30 – What are Network States and how they evolve beyond nation-states 42:00 – The coming overlay of 200+ nation states with thousands of network states 43:40 – The economic potential of digital sovereign territories 45:00 – The rise of tokenized economies stablecoins, commodities, and local tokens 47:30 – Monetary diversity as financial biodiversity 49:00 – The Consensus Network State & Linea ecosystem 51:30 – DeCorporatizing infrastructure: crypto meets physical resilience 53:00 – The role of VDAO and Fifth World in building antifragile communities 54:30 – Why personal sovereignty matters in a digital world 56:00 – Decentralized social graphs and tokenized communities 57:30 – How AI agents will power new governance and coordination 59:10 – The energy bottleneck and the path toward abundance 01:01:00 – Revisiting the 2047 Ethereum Vision speech 01:03:00 – Prediction markets, futarchy, and decentralized governance 01:05:00 – The next decade for ConsenSys: token economies & infrastructure 01:07:00 – Ethereum’s convergence: scaling and interoperability 01:09:00 – Network States, AI, and the next phase of collective intelligence 01:11:30 – Closing reflections: hybrid intelligence and antifragile coordination /episode/index/show/128c3f4a-6136-477c-8898-83d022a2d198/id/38976080

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