Episode 37 | Caring For Relatives When They Didn't Care For You
Cults and the Culting of America
In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, host Scot Loyd and guest Jonathan Hirsch delve into the complexities of growing up in a cult-like environment, specifically under the influence of Franklin Jones. They explore the allure of charismatic leaders, the sacrifices made by children in these settings, and the long-term emotional impacts on individuals raised in such communities. Jonathan shares his personal journey, including the challenges of reconciling his upbringing with his current life, and the importance of understanding the experiences of cult kids. The conversation...
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Episode 36 | Yogaville
Cults and the Culting of America
In this episode, Scott and Daniella engage with Brianna, who shares her profound journey through the world of yoga and her experiences at Yogaville, a yoga community that turned out to be more complex than it seemed. Brianna discusses her initial attraction to the community, the positive aspects she encountered, and the darker realities that unfolded over time, including manipulation, abuse, and the psychological toll of being involved in a cult-like environment. The conversation emphasizes the importance of trust, intuition, and the need for open discussions about both the good and bad...
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Episode 35 | AA From an Addiction Specialist
Cults and the Culting of America
In this episode, Scott Loyd and Daniela Mestyanek-Young engage in a deep conversation with Andi Wiseman about the nature of cults, particularly focusing on the military and Alcoholics Anonymous (AA). They explore the harmful aspects of 12-step programs, the intersection of addiction and systemic issues, and the importance of listening to survivors. The discussion highlights personal experiences with cult-like behavior in nonprofits and the need for a broader understanding of recovery beyond traditional frameworks. Andi's Links Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book,...
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Episode 34 | Cult of Masculinity
Cults and the Culting of America
In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, hosts Scot Loyd and Daniella Mesteneck Young engage in a profound conversation with Jack about the complexities of masculinity, the cultural constructs surrounding gender identity, and the emotional struggles faced by men in contemporary society. Jack shares his personal journey from a troubled upbringing to his work in men's circles, emphasizing the need for vulnerability, community, and a redefinition of masculinity that moves away from harmful stereotypes. The discussion explores the impact of societal expectations, the illusion of male...
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Episode 33 | Improvement Gurus
Cults and the Culting of America
In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, host Scott Loyd and guest Daniela Mestenec Young engage in a deep conversation with Ben John about the self-help industry, misguided mentors, and the red flags associated with cult-like organizations. Ben shares his personal journey of being involved in a self-help group that he later recognized as a cult, discussing the tactics used by leaders to manipulate followers. The conversation explores the importance of discernment in seeking guidance, the emotional costs of leaving such groups, and the need for authenticity in personal growth....
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Episode 32 | Satanic Panic Debunked
Cults and the Culting of America
In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, hosts Scott Loyd and Daniela Mesteneck Young engage in a profound conversation with Lydia Knight, who shares her harrowing experiences growing up in a cult. Lydia discusses the complexities of her upbringing, including themes of racism, the satanic panic, and the psychological impact of fear and control within cult dynamics. The conversation delves into the process of healing and deprogramming, the importance of reconnecting with family, and the empowerment that comes from leadership and coaching. Lydia's journey of transformation serves as...
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Episode 31 | Cult Situation Report
Cults and the Culting of America
In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, hosts Scot Loyd and Daniella Mesteneck Young explore the current political climate in the U.S. and its parallels to cult dynamics. They discuss the rise of cult mentality, the deification of leaders, and the implications of executive power. The conversation emphasizes the importance of community, collective action, and the role of art in resisting oppressive governance. The hosts encourage listeners to engage with their communities and resist fear-driven narratives, highlighting the need for resilience and creativity in challenging times....
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Episode 30 | The DSM as a Weapon
Cults and the Culting of America
In this conversation, Daniella and Katie Keech explore the intersections of cult dynamics, mental health, and neurodiversity. They discuss the misdiagnosis of mental health disorders in cult survivors, the authoritarian nature of the DSM, and the importance of self-definition and community support. The conversation delves into the complexities of plurality, trauma, and identity, emphasizing the need for a nuanced understanding of these issues in a world that often seeks to categorize and control individuals. Daniella's Links: You can read all about my story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed...
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Episode 29 | Asian American Apostate
Cults and the Culting of America
In this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, hosts Scot Loyd and Daniella Mesteneck Young engage in a deep conversation with Scott Okamoto, who shares his journey from evangelical Christianity to questioning the very foundations of his beliefs. The discussion touches on themes of identity, race, and the struggles of belonging within high-control groups. They explore the dynamics of critical thinking versus apologetics in Christian education, the impact of the model minority myth, and the role of empathy in Christianity. Scott reflects on his experiences teaching at a Christian...
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Episode 28 | Online Cult
Cults and the Culting of America
In this episode, Scott Loyd and Daniella Mestyneck Young engage in a deep conversation with Taylor Marie, a mental health therapist and cult survivor. Taylor shares her experiences with an online cult, discussing the similarities between online and in-person cults, the recruitment tactics used, and the psychological manipulation involved. The conversation explores the dynamics of charismatic leadership, the exploitation of belonging and purpose, and the red flags that led to Taylor's eventual departure from the cult. The discussion also touches on the importance of healthy leadership and the...
info_outlineIn this episode of Cults and the Culting of America, hosts Scot Loyd and Daniella Mesteneck Young engage in a deep conversation with Scott Okamoto, who shares his journey from evangelical Christianity to questioning the very foundations of his beliefs. The discussion touches on themes of identity, race, and the struggles of belonging within high-control groups. They explore the dynamics of critical thinking versus apologetics in Christian education, the impact of the model minority myth, and the role of empathy in Christianity. Scott reflects on his experiences teaching at a Christian university and the challenges he faced while trying to foster a more inclusive environment. The conversation culminates in a discussion about the current state of Christianity and its intersection with social justice, as well as Scott's ongoing work in helping others navigate their own journeys out of high-control groups.
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Other Podcasts
Daniella's other podcast: Hey White Women
Takeaways
- Scott Okamoto shares his experience growing up in evangelical Christianity.
- The conversation highlights the struggles of identity and belonging in high-control groups.
- Critical thinking is often stifled in Christian education, replaced by apologetics.
- The model minority myth complicates the experiences of Asian Americans in evangelical spaces.
- Empathy is lacking in contemporary Christianity, as evidenced by recent teachings.
- Scott's journey out of evangelicalism was gradual, marked by many small realizations.
- Interpersonal relationships can be a significant barrier to leaving high-control groups.
- Scott's current work focuses on helping others navigate their experiences in Christian schools.
- The conversation draws parallels between cult dynamics and the tech industry.
- The hosts emphasize the importance of questioning and critical engagement in all areas of life.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Acknowledgment of Social Issues
01:55 Scott Okamoto's Journey in Evangelical Christianity
06:53 Struggles with Identity and Belonging
10:40 The Role of Argumentation in Cults and Christianity
15:13 Toxic Masculinity and Church Dynamics
18:24 Racial Dynamics in Christianity
23:44 The Model Minority Myth and Its Implications
30:03 Recognizing Our Place in the Movement
31:08 The Journey of Awakening
32:13 The Struggle with Faith and Reality
35:01 The Cop-Out of Prayer
36:28 The Politics of Panic
38:57 Interpersonal Relationships and Leaving the Church
40:05 Finding Community Beyond the Church
43:30 Empathy and the State of Christianity
44:44 The Podcast and the Book
52:41 The Cult of the Tech Industry
Produced by Haley Phillips