Transcript- Episode 1: More than One Purpose with Stephán McGrue Educational Advisor

00:00:00 Stephán

The department itself was giving me a hard time of finding a place to showcase the show. And I was just venting to a janitor that I made really good friends with over the semester. And he said, "You're trying to do what on what day?" And I remember he looked it up, he had the same access. And I had to go home that night and think to myself like "Is this what I think this is?"
                

00:00:19 Veronica

You know, when it comes to a community college, as students, we're the reason why everyone else is here. I think a lot of times when people think of students, they're thinking about us growing and learning. But the one thing that I realize talking to my professors is that they are constantly also growing and learning as well, whether they want to admit it or not. I'm your host, Veronica Daniel, and I'm a journalism and communication student here on campus.
                

00:00:46 Liesel

I'm Dr. Liesel Reinhart. I teach mass communication and TVR courses here at PCC and I am thrilled to co-host with my amazing former student, Veronica.
                

00:00:55 Veronica

On this show, Liesel and I are going to talk with some remarkable individuals from our PCC campus community. These are people you may know, but stories you probably don't.
                

00:01:04 Liesel

It can be tough, but we don't have to do it alone.
                

00:01:07 Veronica

Exactly. Because in higher education, we are all under development, a podcast from the Office of Professional and Organizational Development at Pasadena City College and funded by a PCC Foundation Community Excellence Grant.
                

00:01:21 Veronica

Hi Liesel.
                

00:01:25 Liesel

How's it going, Veronica?
                

00:01:27 Veronica

Good. Can you tell our audience how we met?
                

00:01:31 Liesel

We met in class. You were a student in my mass media course about a year ago.
                

00:01:37 Veronica

I know, and it was so amazing. That was actually my first class post-pandemic, if we can even say that. But since we obviously know each other pretty well, that's why we are co-hosting this podcast together, I have a question for you.
                

00:01:52 Liesel

Okay. What is something I don't know about you?
                

00:01:56 Liesel

Good question. Okay, I'll dig back into my past. Did you know that I was the first ever state champion in Colorado in Girls Extemporaneous Speaking? In my high school years in the eighties, they actually split up boys and girls, and it was current event speaking.
                

00:02:18 Liesel

They literally had different division. It wasn't like Javelin, it was current events. So, I was the girls Extemporaneous Speaking champion and my whole speech in the final round was how it was so inappropriate that I had to compete separately than the boys. And I thought I could beat them if they just let me in that other room, and then they changed it the next year.
                

00:02:39 Veronica

I love that. That definitely sounds like you, that sounds like something you would do. Honestly, that's hilarious.
                

00:02:46 Liesel

Alright. Now, I need to know something I don't know about you.
                

00:02:49 Veronica

I would say now that I'm transitioning into this new career path, I just keep thinking about my prior jobs. And the first thing that comes to mind is that I worked at this really small taco shop and I was telling my friend this the other day, and she's known me forever and had no idea that I used to just make the tacos from scratch, and I had to do everything.
                

00:03:10 Veronica

When I was working there, it was in the summertime and there was no AC and it was always about 15 degrees hotter than outside, but it was so much fun. I loved it, and to this day, I like making tacos from scratch.
                

00:03:24 Liesel

Alright, so you had to make tacos in the heat and I had to humbly speak in a round of women because I wasn't allowed to talk about current events with men. We've got our stories and more to tell than that I'm sure, that have helped form us into who we are today.
                

00:03:41 Veronica

Exactly. I really asked this question because there are so many faculty and staff members here on campus who have background stories that brought them here that we will never know about.
                

00:03:52 Liesel

Or will we? This podcast gives us an opportunity to find out some of those stories, doesn't it?
                

00:03:57 Veronica

Exactly. We get amazing people who are a part of this campus community, telling us their amazing stories.
                

00:04:04 Liesel

So, who's our guest today?
                

00:04:06 Veronica

Our guest today is an educational advisor whose past experiences and acting at entertainment turned him into a prominent leader and organizer here on campus. I'm so excited.
                

00:04:17 Liesel

Secret acting background? This is going to be juicy.
                

00:04:19 Veronica

I know. I can't wait.
                

00:04:21 Liesel

Absolutely. Well, I can't wait to hear your conversation.
                

00:04:24 Veronica

Let's get into it. So, I am here with Stephán McGrue. I'm so excited.
                

00:04:32 Stephán

I'm excited too.
                

00:04:33 Veronica

Nice to see you again.
                

00:04:34 Stephán

Same.
                

00:04:34 Veronica

Can you just tell me about what you do here at PCC?
                

00:04:40 Stephán

Yeah, so again, my name is Stephán McGrue. I am an educational advisor here at Pasadena City College. The division I am under is called TRIO. It is one of the few pre-college programs here at PCC. So, I basically work with high school students and help them get into college, particularly first generation low-income students.
                

00:05:01 Stephán

And then another role that I do here is I event coordinate as well. Get asked to do a couple of different events here, outreach events, and activities that will just bring engagement to the campus and bring campus community almost, like so those are like my two big roles here.
                

00:05:21 Veronica

Those are both big roles. I feel like each one individually could just go for one person.
                

00:05:26 Stephán

I don't know how to do it. They're both a hundred percent type jobs. So, I just make a hundred percent work times two. Honestly, I don't know how to do it.
                

00:05:34 Veronica

And you do, you do. So, going back to your first position, how many students would you say in the TRIO program that you have brought over here?
                

00:05:44 Stephán

So, I have been working as an education ... I got hired here full-time in 2014. I was working in the TRIO Program what they call at the time, college assistant, starting in 2011. So, it's over 10 years of TRIO experience of working as an employee. So, since 2014, I have to meet a 60 count of number of students every summer, every year.
                

00:06:10 Stephán

And so, I'm recruiting that much, pretty much every year. So, if few times that by the nine years I've been here, that's hundreds of students that I've seen. And last year, I think last year I just hit my first cohort that graduated from college.
                

00:06:27 Stephán

So, I now have students that are probably going to be running ... I'm going to be running into in the near future saying, "I have this career because of you." Or, "I'm excited to see that happening."
                

00:06:39 Veronica

That's incredible. I mean, to be able to see the growth that those people have experienced and the fact that you played such an integral part in that, it is so amazing. Congratulations, I'm really happy for you on that.
                

00:06:51 Stephán

Thank you. Thank you. It means a lot to me because it's the same program that I was a part of when I was a student in the city, I went to John Muir High School in this very same program, which has existed since the nineties.
                

00:07:05 Stephán

And so, I had an advisor pretty much do the same thing for me that I'm doing for the kids now. And fortunately, he's still around here. He's the counselor now, so it's a beautiful journey for him to witness and see a product of what he helped mature and grow over the years, and I'm doing the same thing. So, it's pretty enlightening to have that experience and see that generational replica happen.
                

00:07:32 Veronica

Definitely a full circle moment. So, with that being said, can you tell me about your academic background?
                

00:07:39 Stephán

Yes, yes. So, I grew up here in Pasadena. I went to pretty much a lot of the different elementary schools and high schools here. Well, just one high school, but many different elementary and middle schools. And then my high school was John Muir High School. So, I'm a Mustang who's house for those Mustangs that know and listening on.
                

00:07:59 Stephán

And then I joined Upward Bound in my sophomore year. My grandmother put me a part of the Upper Bound program at the time, was Math and Science Upward Bound, because there's two Upward Bound Programs here on campus. There's Math and Science Upward Bound and Classic.
                

00:08:15 Stephán

And the program I currently work for right now is Classic, but I was enrolled in the Math and Science Upward Bound Program and my grandmother had this idea to help me increase my math and science grades because they weren't my favorites.
                

00:08:28 Stephán

She saw a sign that said Upward Bound Math and Science. So, she assumed that the program was geared towards improving students' grades in the STEM-related fields, and it had nothing to do with that. It was, "Hey, let's help you get into a STEM-related career." And which I had no interest in.
                

00:08:44 Stephán

I was a performing art student. I love acting, I loved performing, I have been doing it since I was a child, doing a lot of TV shows and commercials as a kid. And so, when my parents stopped me going out for those roles, because they wanted me to focus more on education, this is where Upward Bound came into my life in high school and Upward Bound geared my focus to more college-driven initiatives and goals.
                

00:09:13 Stephán

I didn't have that goal. I just knew I wanted to act and perform. So, I did a lot of theater work in high school at the same time as being in Upward Bound. So, Upward Bound helped me get into college. They helped me get into San Francisco State University where I got to go and get my degree and drama with an emphasis in performance and minor in communications.
                

00:09:32 Stephán

And between that time, I was coming back during the summer to work at Upward Bound to make a little money. And then I ended up moving back here and figuring out how to get into the industry here, the entertainment industry, get back into it actually, because I was in it from the age that I was like 4 until like 11 or 12. And I was doing a lot of work. I had an agent, I was missing a lot of school, honestly.
                

00:10:00 Stephán

I was in trailers, getting tutoring in the trailer rooms and stuff like that. So, I missed it. I missed it a lot. And so, coming back and now, being out of college and getting my degree, I really wanted to still venture into that. But of course, if you all know what it's like to be an artist, it's not like you can go out for an interview and get the job and then you're set for the rest of your life or whatever with benefits and stuff.
                

00:10:26 Stephán

It's a whole spontaneous process that you have to be ready for and have the patience for. So, in between the time that I'm auditioning and looking for an agent and I'm kind of creating my own content, I continued working here at PCC and I found a balance where I was working part-time here and I was doing part-time stuff with my creativity and my creative arts.
                

00:10:50 Stephán

And so, I got suggested by my advisor who became the director at the time, to go after the full-time position as an educational advisor for the program because the position had opened up. And I was a little weary about it because I felt that if I give a hundred percent to one thing, then it would take away from my true passion, which is acting and performing and writing scripts and being a producer and stuff like that.
                

00:11:15 Stephán

And so, I took a lot of time to think about it and I figured I can do anything I put my mind to. And so, I went ahead and went for it because one, the one thing my parents taught me was you never know unless you try. So, why would I want to strip away an opportunity that I don't even know I would even be accepted for if I don't even interview for it?
                

00:11:39 Stephán

So, I just went ahead and interviewed for the position and I got in. I got the role and I was extremely excited but also scared at the same time. Because I was like, "What did I just get myself into because I know that my passion is acting." This road changed my entire life, literally my entire life.
                

00:11:59 Stephán

I had no interest of going into education as a full-time career. And what it also led me to do was it influenced me to get my masters , and I ended up getting my masters in educational leadership at Asuza Pacific University. And thereafter, is where I started.
                

00:12:16 Stephán

And I started to really understand what my purpose was because if I would've failed, I would've realized that that wasn't a purpose for me. It was just a journey that I was just supposed to go through and then figure out what's the next step from here.
                

00:12:30 Stephán

But for some reason, I was excelling more in the educational realm than I was in the acting realm. And I figured that it was all for a purpose. I was supposed to be here to stick with kids that needed that person to relate to, that person that went through what they went through.
                

00:12:49 Stephán

Sometimes, more importantly though, who look like them as well. And when I was in the program, I was actually the only African American male in the program. And so, since I've been a part of Upward Bound, I've helped the percentage of African American students in the program increase.
                

00:13:05 Stephán

And I learned that just by experience, they saw a reflection and that inflection happened and I just figured I can do both. So, I've been able to balance out both my educational stuff and my performing art stuff in this journey that I'm figuring out because you have more than one purpose in this life
                

00:13:25 Veronica

And that it's never too late to do what you want to do, to do what you love, to find that new passion. I do have a question, can you explain exactly what the Upward Bound program is for those who might not know.
                

00:13:38 Stephán

Yes. So, TRIO in general is an umbrella of eight different programs that began in the sixties. It was started in the sixties and it was birthed out of equal rights and the Civil Rights Movement, looking for an opportunity to give students who did not grow up with parents who had education or at least a college education, or grew up with parents that didn't have money to support them to go after education, and provide them the opportunity and resources to make sure that they can have equal opportunity to go after the same things that everyone else who had those privileges to go after them.
                

00:14:17 Stephán

We pretty much support first generation low-income and or academically at risk students and help them get into college. And that age range is from fifth grade all the way up into, I mean, your doctorate. If you want to get your doctorates program. So, there's a program for every single level of education that you want to go to. And they are here to support students who qualify for that.
                

00:14:41 Veronica

That's awesome. I love that. I mean, I can say that I'd heard of it mainly from you actually. I think that was the first time that I'd ever even heard of the program.
                

00:14:49 Stephán

Oh, wow, yes.
                

00:14:50 Veronica

And I just think that that's so great. I mean, we really need more programs like that in schools. We need more people. And again, to your point, seeing themselves reflected in those programs, because then they are going to go on to do what they want to do and then again someone's going to see them in that position and it's just going to keep going.
                

00:15:08 Veronica

I wanted to talk more about your prior career in acting. And you said that you went to San Francisco State. So, while you were there, were you acting at all.
                

00:15:20 Stephán

Oh my gosh. I was trying to act my off, honestly. I had fallen in love with the theater when I stopped doing film and television. And I fell in love with it when I was in high school because that's where I got to do my first stage play.
                

00:15:36 Stephán

And when I knew that acting was something I wanted to do and also learn that raw talent for actors really come from the stage, I wanted to challenge myself and say, okay, if I can do this on screen stuff when I was a child, I know there's something deeper in me.
                

00:15:51 Stephán

And then in college, I studied it and I wanted to learn more and provide those opportunities for myself so that way I can build those skills up. The one thing that I didn't notice was that there weren't enough opportunities for someone who looked like me to be a part of main stage productions.
                

00:16:12 Stephán

The majority of the department, the theater department at the time at San Francisco State, it wasn't black, I'll tell you that. It was mostly either you were either Caucasian or Asian. And it was really interesting because the school itself was like the first CSU to establish an ethnic studies department. And I was born out of civil rights movement as well.
                

00:16:34 Stephán

But it was pretty much led by people of color and that didn't reflect the department for some reason. And I had to get to the bottom of it. I really did. I didn't feel just like an average student that was just told to take these courses, to get your degree, get your credit, and get out of here.
                

00:16:55 Stephán

There was just something deeper there for me to do and I followed it. And what I did was took the extra step of doing independent study project that required me to adapt a script and produce the work, direct it, cast it. I even had to compose it and really just create an opportunity for people of color to be able to see themselves on the stage at San Francisco State University.
                

00:17:23 Stephán

And as much as I found the challenges along the way, I still persevered and it became a success. I ended up adapting a film called the Carmen Jones and readapted it for the stage and called it That Jones Girl. And it was such a marvelous opportunity in time in my life because seeing the faces of how many people of color I got to cast, it was the first African American-led musical at San Francisco State, I learned later.
                

00:17:59 Stephán

And I had to think about this because I was like I know this college has been here since like the late 18 hundreds. You mean to tell me that there hasn't been anything that represents just a cast of African Americans?
                

00:18:15 Stephán

And so, it just kind of like surprised me because of what we've seen in the industry. You know, we've seen shows that have this diversity or have this particular population shown, and they have the talent for it. But something about San Francisco, they just didn't reach that yet.
                

00:18:32 Stephán

You would not believe the strings I had to pull. I mean the department itself was giving me a hard time of finding a place to showcase the show that I had to go through facilities. I mean normally, you go through booking like spaces for an event through the, I guess, proper way. But they were telling me it wasn't anything available.
                

00:18:54 Stephán

And I was just venting to a janitor that I made really good friends with over the semester. And he said, "You're trying to do what on what day?" And I remember he looked it up, he had the same access and he was like, "Well, I don't see anything in here on these days? Are you sure you asked them for these days?" I said, "I did, and they told me that I couldn't do it, it was occupied."
                

00:19:15 Stephán

And he said, "Well, there's nothing in there. So, if you can get an advisor to sign off on this, then I'm sure you can do it." At the end of the day. I have to literally go through those hoops to try to figure out like, "Wow, that's actually ..." And I had to go home that night and think to myself like "Is this what I think this is? They see this on a flyer and stuff and that's what they do."
                

00:19:37 Stephán

So, at the end of the day, I was really happy that I went through what I had to go through because it just showed me how hard it is and that wasn't going to be the last time that I faced any adversity like that and I persevered through it.
                

00:19:51 Stephán

And so, I knew from that moment on what I would be looking forward to seeing, I shouldn't be surprised to see when I go into the industry professionally.
                

00:19:59 Veronica

So, based off of what you did there and what you're continuing to do, I mean, it's clear to me that you are a leader, but I wanted to know what sparked that in you. And what has helped you to be able to do it so well. You know, you're putting on events here at PCC, I know I've attended a couple of them. The Black Family Reunion is what is sticking out in my mind. That was the first time that I met you.
                

00:20:25 Stephán

Yes, it was.
                

00:20:25 Veronica

And yeah, I would just love to know what is your drive behind being able to do that so well.
                

00:20:32 Stephán

I'll tell you what's refreshing; what's refreshing is meeting people like you that recognize that and really make me remember that what I'm doing this for is way beyond me. And what sparks it is that I've had this model since I can remember.
                

00:20:51 Stephán

I remember reading this from an author, or was it a poet? I can't remember their names, but my purpose in life is to plant the seed in a garden that I may never live to see. And what that means to me is I am accepting what it takes to do what I love to do, and it just so happens to leave breadcrumbs behind for those that don't know how to make it themselves or don't see themselves making it the same way that someone else has.
                

00:21:26 Stephán

And so, that just starts with someone doing it. And I know that I'm not going to be here for a lifetime. And so, in my lifetime that I do have, I want to be able to establish something that can make it easier for those to follow behind and create their own paths and do.
                

00:21:44 Stephán

So, it's really just, it's beyond me. That's what it does. It sparks an interest in me and it sparks a level of energy in me to know that I'm not doing this for me. I'm doing this for everyone else that has a whole different vision in life that they want to pursue and don't have the resources to do it or don't have the blueprint to do so.
                

00:22:05 Stephán

And I want to be able to create that blueprint and leave that behind for whoever that comes behind me and wants to do something similar and make it their own.
                

00:22:14 Veronica

With that being said, you're doing two different things on campus that I do feel intersect. Is there any event that you still think about that really inspired you and made you feel like, "Yes, this is what I'm going to do, I love doing what I do?"
                

00:22:34 Stephán

Coordinating was instilled in me as a child. I would always, for some reason - and child, I mean like high school, right before high school. My family, it's very organized in the sense that we hold family reunion still. And I took that for granted growing up because I just thought that's something everyone does.
                

00:22:54 Stephán

My parents and my family recognized that in me. Until this day, they're like, "Stephán, you've always been a coordinator. Like when we were young, you wanted to be a part of the committee to like organize the next reunion. You wanted to do the activities, you wanted to help with where to go and where we should be, and help with themes and stuff."
                

00:23:12 Stephán

So, it started there, and I just pretty much correlated that into what I do here now. Helping out the students is just one of the most memorable things that I can even think of.
                

00:23:24 Veronica

Is there any advice that you would give to faculty members and other staff who might be struggling to better assist students, especially in their academic journey right now?
                

00:23:34 Stephán

For those who are interested and for those who actually are doing the work, you have to reason with the students. That's just really what I've learned. It's just reasoning with them. And I think I come from a more empathetic background on that because of just how I was raised.
                

00:23:49 Stephán

I raised not knowing about college culture. A lot of this is really new, a lot of it was very, very new to me. And I had to have someone come into my life and slow it down and let me know how it goes, and not just throw it all at me all at once and expect me to know.
                

00:24:05 Veronica

Being a student, the classes where I have succeeded the most is when I have professors who are able to be flexible, and understand that sometimes we come into class and we're not feeling it today. And instead of just being like, "Well, you're still going to do this quiz, you're still going to do this assignment ..." teachers who are able to be flexible - Liesel, my co-host was really, really good at doing that.
                

00:24:28 Veronica

When I was in her class, especially in the pandemic, she said earlier that 16 weeks is a long time to try to keep your together. And I couldn't agree more. And so, those days when she tapped in and saw that we were all not feeling it, she would just completely change her plans for the day, and that really to me, it was great because it was in that moment that I realized, "Wow, if I have more professors that are like this, I'm going to continue going to school, I'm going to get my degree."
                

00:24:53 Veronica

And so, that moment and other professors that I've had, especially having black professors and just the way that they're able to see me, you know what I'm saying? Really tap in and recognize what I'm going through, the type of conversations that we've been able to have, the type of programs and opportunities that they've put me on - it has completely changed my perspective on education and has made me that much more passionate about going about my goals.
                

00:25:19 Stephán

I love that.
                

00:25:20 Veronica

So, with that being said, do you feel like there is still a part of your life that is still in under development?
                

00:25:25 Stephán

I feel like the fork in the road in my life has always been either education or acting and producing and working in that element. Where I feel like I've been excelling more, it's been in the educational route, even though I haven't been getting the callbacks for the interviews and I haven't always been getting the callbacks for the scripts, but there's always something that happens in both of those roles that makes me feel like I'm in the right place.
                

00:25:54 Veronica

So, what's the best way for a student or faculty member to be able to connect with you here on campus?
                

00:26:00 Stephán

So, I am currently ... unless they move me out of the D Building, I am in the D Building. I'm in building room 108 and I've been there for the past just about 10 years. I'm also able to get connected through Instagram. My Instagram is at Stepháno Shea. Stepháno Shea is my stage name.
                

00:26:21 Stephán

So, I've kind of basically blended the entire existence of my life under that name right now. I know I'm known as Stephán McGrure here on campus and Stepháno Shea on stage. But my Instagram handle is @StephánoShea . You could look me up online as well through the PCC website. Just type up Stephán McGrue Educational Advisor, and my email will be on there and my office line will be on there too. I would love to help and connect.
                

00:26:48 Veronica

Well, thank you so much Stephán for coming onto the Under Development Podcast.
                

00:26:53 Stephán

Thank you guys so much. I appreciate this.
                

00:26:54 Veronica

Thank you, Stephán.
                

00:26:55 Stephán

No problem.
                

00:26:58 Veronica

So, Liesel, what did you think of the episode?
                

00:27:02 Liesel

What an amazing person and a great conversation to listen in on with both of you. It definitely got me thinking about this idea of work-life balance. We talk about work-life balances, though they're separate things, but they're not, or work is our life in some ways.
                

00:27:18 Liesel

And when we engage in things outside of work, they enrich what we do here. And we're also not just our jobs, we have other aspirations and other dreams and visions and it's great to work at a college where those things can coexist. Where you can both be helping students with their educational journey and also be exploring your own and talk about a person who's got limitless potential.
                

00:27:44 Veronica

That was beautifully said. And I think that his experience is something that a lot of other students and faculty members can relate to on campus as well. I mean, this is a community college. A lot of us do have jobs outside of being in school. And so, to be able to have that balance is extremely important. And I think that Stephán does it really well.
                

00:28:03 Liesel

My son was a student at Marshall Fundamental High School who now goes to PCC, and as Stephán was coming into the studio, we were talking about the fact that he's been over at Marshall, he's been at our local schools and what an amazing representative out there to talk to people about all the PCC has to offer and encourage them to come here.
                

00:28:23 Liesel

And I just know that he's going to help all of the students in our community see the potential of what Pasadena City College has to offer.
                

00:28:33 Veronica

I agree. All of the new incoming students here at PCC are in really good hands.
                

00:28:37 Liesel

I do want to point out too, we don't have to just passively wait for people like Stephán to go out there and draw students into our campus. I think outreach is part of everybody's responsibility and charge here in the community college. And maybe a takeaway from me today is how do I represent Pasadena City College in the community?
                

00:28:56 Liesel

And am I open and inviting everyone to come here in all that I do in my work on the PTA or with clubs and organizations? I mean, we need to be ambassadors every day to let people know what's here and that they're welcome here.
                

00:29:10 Veronica

I completely agree. I think when you are passionate about where you go to school ... I mean, I'm very, very happy to be going to school here. And so, I think people can really see that in my day-to-day basis. When people ask me where I go to school and I say PCC, I say it with pride. And when people ask me why I'm so excited to be a student here, I give them so many different reasons.
                

00:29:30 Veronica

Everything from the community to the classes, the professors, I think it's really important that when we're out there and we are talking about our school, we do wear it with pride because people will see that. And again, that can change their perspective and make them want to come over here.
                

00:29:45 Liesel

And I know that something that we are doing in our outreach is trying to expand access and expand that welcome to more students of color. We want to have more diversity that represents our community here at the college. But our job, once they get here is to make sure that they feel welcome and they stay.
                

00:30:02 Liesel

And we need to continue our work with equity, inclusion, and diversity, and the training that's coming out of that division on campus to make sure that we're all doing what we need to do, so that after Stephán brings amazing kids to our campus, we are ready and prepared to give them the educational environment that they deserve.
                

00:30:22 Veronica

I couldn't agree more, Liesel.
                

00:30:24 Liesel

Thank you for listening to the Under Development Podcast. This podcast is production of the Office of Professional and Organizational Development at Pasadena City College, and funded by a PCC Foundation Community Excellence Grant.
                

00:30:38 Liesel

I'm your co-host, Liesel Reinhardt, our host is Veronica Daniel. Executive producers of this podcast are Dr. Jason Robinson and Nicholas Hatch.
                

00:30:47 Liesel

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