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The Science of Belonging with Dr Emily Musgrove

The Jono Fisher Podcast

Release Date: 11/15/2025

The Science of Belonging with Dr Emily Musgrove show art The Science of Belonging with Dr Emily Musgrove

The Jono Fisher Podcast

An intimate conversation with psychologist Dr Emily Musgrove on belonging, resilience and the power of human connection. What does it mean to truly belong - to ourselves, to one another and to the work we do? In this episode, Dr Emily Musgrove, a psychologist and author, helps us explore the science and soul of connection. She shares insights from her research and practice on how belonging shapes our nervous system, fuels creativity, strengthens resilience and transforms the way we lead. Emily reminds us that connection isn’t a soft skill - it’s the foundation of wellbeing, courage and...

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An intimate conversation with psychologist Dr Emily Musgrove on belonging, resilience and the power of human connection.

What does it mean to truly belong - to ourselves, to one another and to the work we do?

In this episode, Dr Emily Musgrove, a psychologist and author, helps us explore the science and soul of connection. She shares insights from her research and practice on how belonging shapes our nervous system, fuels creativity, strengthens resilience and transforms the way we lead.

Emily reminds us that connection isn’t a soft skill - it’s the foundation of wellbeing, courage and meaningful leadership.

If you’ve ever felt unseen, disconnected, or curious about what helps people and teams thrive, this episode offers both insight and gentle encouragement.

Emily’s new book is entitled Unstuck - and you can find out more about her work at www.dremilymusgrove.com.