115: Betrayal and Forgiveness: Rebuilding Trust After Deep Hurt with Dr. Bruce Chalmer
A Simple Therapy Podcast: Honest Conversations on Therapy, Mental Health, Healing and Self-Growth
Release Date: 09/15/2025
A Simple Therapy Podcast: Honest Conversations on Therapy, Mental Health, Healing and Self-Growth
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A space for honest dialogue, soulful insights, and meaningful stories from therapists, healing humans, and mental health advocates. This trailer introduces the heart behind the rebrand—from The Heart-Centered Therapist Podcast to A Simple Therapy Podcast. Discover what’s changing, what’s staying the same, and what you can expect moving forward. Whether you're a therapist, on your own healing journey, or passionate about mental health—you’re invited. Let’s keep it simple… and keep showing up. Learn more: asimpletherapypodcast.com
info_outlineIn this episode of A Simple Therapy Podcast, Sindee Gozansky sits down with Dr. Bruce Chalmer, a couples therapist, author, and podcaster who has spent more than 30 years helping people navigate intimacy, betrayal, and forgiveness.
They explore why communication skills alone won’t save a struggling relationship, how true healing begins with the courage to face intimacy, and what Dr. Chalmer calls the “oh, shit moment” that can change everything for a couple. He also shares insights from his latest book, Betrayal and Forgiveness: How to Navigate the Turmoil and Learn to Trust Again, offering a compassionate framework for understanding betrayal, releasing self-blame, and finding faith—whether couples choose to stay together or part ways.
With stories of couples who rebuilt their marriages stronger than before, a three-step path to forgiveness, and the wisdom of his “meta-serenity prayer,” this conversation is rich with guidance for therapists and couples alike.
If you’ve ever wondered how trust can be rebuilt after heartbreak, this episode offers not just answers, but hope—and a simple invitation to live by: be kind, don’t panic, and have faith.
00:00 - Introduction and Guest Welcome
02:52 - Dr. Bruce’s Path to Becoming a Couples Therapist
04:58 - The “Oh, Shit” Moment in Couples Therapy
08:01 - From Psychodynamic Training to a More Human Approach
12:40 - Why Communication Skills Aren’t the Answer
16:08 - When Therapy Ideas Become Harmful Ideologies
20:52 - Defining Betrayal and Forgiveness
25:14 - Forgiveness as an Inside Job
29:15 - Navigating Gray Areas
31:50 - Three Steps to Forgiveness
40:49 - Shame, Apologies, and Real Repair
42:39 - Deal Breakers vs. Growing Pains in Relationships
47:06 - The Meta-Serenity Prayer and Faith in the Unknown
48:59 - Advice for Therapists Supporting Betrayed Couples
53:46 - Guidance for Couples Before and During Therapy
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