Defining the 'What' and Delegating the 'How': AJ Crabill and Mastering the Board-Superintendent Relationship
An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
Release Date: 05/12/2026
Defining the 'What' and Delegating the 'How': AJ Crabill and Mastering the Board-Superintendent Relationship
An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
Is your school board focused on the right things, or is it caught in a "dumpster fire" of adult drama? I recently had an terrific conversation with , author of , about how to move from dysfunctional governance to a system that actually serves children. AJ has seen it all. From serving as a parent leader to becoming a state agency leader and a national governance director, we dove deep into why school boards often fail and, more importantly, how they can become effective. Here are some themes from our conversation: Student Outcomes vs. Adult Inputs: One of the biggest mistakes boards make is...
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Lead Collectively with Peter Dewitt and Michael Nelson: Moving From Intent to Lasting Impact
An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
Are you leading in isolation? Education leadership can often feel like a lonely journey, navigating everything from systemic challenges to the day-to-day realities of school life. In this episode of An Imperfect Leader, we sit down with veteran educators and co-authors Peter DeWitt and Michael Nelson to discuss their transformative framework for collective leadership. In our conversation as well as in their work with the , they challenge the traditional top-down approach, moving beyond mere good intentions to create lasting impact through collective efficacy. Drawing on their latest...
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Be Bold or Go Home: Mike Miles on Rapid Systemic Transformation and the Houston Promise
An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
In the latest episode of An Imperfect Leader, we sit down with Mike Miles, Superintendent of Houston ISD, to discuss his career in driving high-performance cultures and rethinking how schools prepare students for the future. This conversation provides a deep look into what he describes as the largest and fastest transformation of a large urban district in the history of Texas. Here are three important themes from the conversation, featuring word-for-word quotes from Superintendent Miles: 1. Rapid Transformation Through Organizational Coherence: Mike believes that significant school improvement...
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Reclaiming the Human Connection: Douglas Reeves on AI, Ethics, and Leadership
An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
How can artificial intelligence actually make us more human? In the latest episode of An Imperfect Leader, we sit down with Dr. Douglas Reeves to discuss his timely new book, Here are three essential themes from our conversation: 1. Reclaiming Time for the Human Side of Leadership: Dr. Reeves argues that AI’s greatest gift to administrators is the gift of time. By leveraging AI to handle administrative burdens leader can get out from behind their desks. 2. Moving from Cheating to Critical Editing: Rather than viewing AI solely as a cheating machine, the discussion shifts toward...
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In the Mess Together: Milena Garganigo on Systems Thinking and Supporting Teachers
An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
How can we move from traditional schooling to truly empowered learning? In this episode of An Imperfect Leader, we sit down with , Assistant Superintendent for the Clayton School District, to discuss breaking traditional leadership models and centering student agency. Here are three key themes from their conversation: 1. The Five Pillars of Empowered Learning: Dr. Garganigo unpacks a framework designed to personalize education through five key components: Path, Place, Pace, Voice, and Choice. A standout insight is her definition of Path. It isn’t just about the activities a student...
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Craig Randall: Maximizing Teaching and Learning Growth Through Trust-Based Observations
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Are we observing for compliance or for growth? In this episode of An Imperfect Leader, , author of Trust-Based Observations, describes how we can transform school culture by reimagining the way we support our teachers. Here are three big takeaways from our conversation: 🛡️ Lowering Vulnerability to Encourage Risk-Taking: Traditional, high-stakes observations often lead to trauma, stress, and anxiety, causing teachers to play it safe. Craig reminds us that "the way you get people to take risks is lower vulnerability. The way you lower vulnerability is by building trust." ...
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Closing the Trust Gap with Dr. Cory Scheer
An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
This week, we're chatting about organizational trust with founder of TrustCentric Consulting and author of Closing the Trust Gap. If you think your team trusts you, you might want to check the data. Research shows that leaders typically have a "31% on average, higher perception of how trust is doing versus frontline employees." Here are three big themes from our conversation that every leader needs to hear: The "Three-Legged Stool" of Trust: Trust isn't a vague soft skill. It’s a measurable structure. Cory breaks it down into three essential building blocks: competency, problem...
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Ahead of the Curve: Heather Naro on Personalizing Learning and Human-Centered Leading
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I am thrilled to share my latest conversation with Dr. Heather Naro, Head of School at Schutz American School in Alexandria, Egypt. Heather brings over three decades of experience in international education to a discussion centered on inclusion, culture, and the pursuit of better. Here are three key themes from our conversation: The Radical Shift Toward Inclusion: Since 1992, the number of international schools has grown from fewer than 1,000 to nearly 15,000. More importantly, the philosophy has shifted from "exclusive" environments to more inclusive systems. Human-Centric...
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The Pursuit of Better: Measuring Process Over Outcomes with Dan James
An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
This week on An Imperfect Leader, I had the chance to sit down with , founder of and a former U.S. Paralympic coach, for a thoughtful conversation about leadership and what he calls the “pursuit of better.” Here are a few ideas from our conversation that stayed with me: From Subject Matter Expert to Leader of Scale: Many of us move into leadership because we were strong practitioners. But leading at scale requires a very different skill set. As Dan put it, the craft of being a great teacher is very different from the work of leading an entire school system. . Clarifying...
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When Kids Ran the Nation: Jennifer Light Offers Lessons in Democracy from Junior Republics
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I am thrilled to share a very special crossover episode between our podcast, An Imperfect Leader, and from the ! Together, we sat down with , a professor at MIT, to explore the the history of Junior Republics and the cutting-edge work of Embodied Education. Here are two key takeaways from our conversation: 🏙️ The Legacy of Junior Republics: Imagine a miniature city or nation run entirely by kids. Starting in 1895, Junior Republics gave children the power to act as senators, run businesses, and even debate major issues like women's suffrage (often reaching progressive...
info_outlineIs your school board focused on the right things, or is it caught in a "dumpster fire" of adult drama? I recently had an terrific conversation with AJ Crabill, author of Great on Their Behalf, about how to move from dysfunctional governance to a system that actually serves children.
AJ has seen it all. From serving as a parent leader to becoming a state agency leader and a national governance director, we dove deep into why school boards often fail and, more importantly, how they can become effective.
Here are some themes from our conversation:
- Student Outcomes vs. Adult Inputs: One of the biggest mistakes boards make is trying to "own" the strategic plan. AJ argues that the board's unique expertise is representing the #vision and #values of the #community by defining student outcomes (the "what"). The superintendent then owns the "adult inputs" and the strategic plan (the "how") to get there.
- Authority is Collective, Not Individual: It’s a common trap: an individual board member tries to go "rogue" to fix a specific issue. But AJ reminds us that state law affords zero authority to individual board members. True power only exists when the board acts collectively, ensuring the entire community has a voice in the system.
- Mindset is the Ultimate Lever: We often try to "professional development" our way out of problems with more knowledge and skills. While those are necessary, mindset is the foundation because it’s how a leader makes meaning of the world.
If you’re ready to stop "pretending to govern" and start making a real impact on student achievement, this episode is for you.
Listen to the full episode of An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast.
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