#133 - David Leskowitz - Sideways from Saturn - Astrological Guidance From The Centaurs
Release Date: 01/23/2026
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info_outline"A mystic directly experiences the flowing waters of inspiration in moments that seem to transcend space and time. Yet these, the coordinates of astrology, can still help us describe such events. Astrologers may seek out patterns that trace our treasured mystics’ meetings with the muses of their ecstasies. If we succeed, their biographies may gain a brilliant new dimension, revealing some of the cosmic architecture through which spirituality flows." Quote from beginning of a chapter by David Leskowitz from the book we focus on today BY THE NAME:
"Sideways from Saturn, Astrological Guidance from the Centaurs"
It has just been published here in january 2026 - a long awaited book about the astrological meaning of Centaurs. Centaur refers to a distinct class of planetoid between asteroids and TNO/KBO*. There are so many of them and this episode is meant to inspire you to -rather than give up in overwhelm- to develop a personal and direct relationship to- well some of them! I recommend the book and no one pays me to do that, I just truly love a book that is both inspiring in message and in its form- and also I think it is really needed as someone like myself who has only been in depth familiar with that one Centaur Chiron - here we get a lot deeper into the Centaur family and paradigm.
Welcome to this episode and now this text written fully by a human, me, Mannah, I write these for every episode, so that you may get some overview of what it is I invite you to tap into with me. It would be easier and more well written if I took the transcript from zoom or asked chatgpt to mix something up, but then again, what would I use my long lonely nights for, if not writing these show notes. I appreciate you reading and caring for the personal touch!
MY GUEST TODAY: David Leskowitz who edited and put the book together is an astrologer, healer, and writer with a BA in religious studies and a decade-long engagement with the Centaurs. He has written for The Mountain Astrologer, The Career Astrologer, and Astro.com, and is the cat-herder of Praesepe Press. (you will learn in the end what it means being a herder of brillant cats)
Tap in with us as we speak about:
-The Centaur Era
-Personal Encounters with the Centaurs
-Wisdom from outside of society
-Centaur-personalities and subcultures and Centaur-astrologers
-Bask in the observations and the messages they bring to us
-The differences between the Planets and the Centaurs
-Forming personal relationships with Centaurs
-Look to your Centaur transits!
-Healing with the Centaurs
-We talk about several but speak mostly of Chiron and Asbolus
-The being behind the symbol
-Becoming a conduit
-The re-emergence of the relational need in astrology
-Observe without agenda
-Therapeutic Astrology as a Chironic Art
(to this, let me add that in one of the chapters in "sideways from Saturn" Melanie reinhart says about the terrain to which the Centaurs guide us, that it is traume-informed both trauma on a personal, but also ancestral, cultural, and historical level.)
-What is the perfect blend of astrology and healing?
-Many inroads to making meaning
-David recommends the important contributions of Philip Sedgwicks work and the late Nick Anthony Fiorenza
-Centaurs unusual rhythm and how it gives a certain weight to a moment
-The experience of an archetype in ones life
-Beyond the Myths for example beyond the WOUND in the WOUNDED Healer
-Asbolus and the myth of Ixion
-Hybridity
-Case studies of James Leininger
-My reading with David 6 years ago
-Ceremonies of healing with the Centaurs
-A glance at David's own chart
Thank you for being with us!! Share this episode wildly with your friends who might also be into asteroids and planetoids and David's term that I love: Visionary Astrology of the Ecstatic Centaurs!
-Mannah
*TNO stands for: Trans-Neptunian object and KBO: Kuiper belt object
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Video version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUxvut7jplo