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Hilling Through Grief With Lisa Keefauver

The Hilling Journey

Release Date: 02/28/2025

Hilling Through Ketamine Assisted Psychotherapy show art Hilling Through Ketamine Assisted Psychotherapy

The Hilling Journey

Lindsay is once again unavail but Ilyse sits down with Ketamine Assisted Psychotherapy baddie: Grace Lawrie, LPC- Associate (she/they). Come get your questions about psychotherapy and psychedelics answered in this exciting episode!  Learn more about Grace and their work ! You can find your hosts on socials @thehillingjourney and on    *transcript coming soon!    

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Hilling From Limerence With Julia Berg and Phoebe Coccetti show art Hilling From Limerence With Julia Berg and Phoebe Coccetti

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The hosts speak with Julia Berg, LPC-Associate and Phoebe Coccetti, LPC-Associate about all things limerence. The term is used to describe fantasizing and obsessing over someone you don't have a relationship with or can never be with. These therapists began a support group to aid daters experiencing limerence. We cover everything from what it says about our attachment systems to Lindsay and Ilyse exploring why they might be prone to such a state. Transcript coming soon!

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Hilling Through Divorce show art Hilling Through Divorce

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Forever hilling. Ilyse's divorce has been final for over a year and Lindsay's will be final any day now. After each being in their relationships for 13 years they have a lot to say on the topic of togetherness, seperation, and aloneness. More conversations, less stigma and shame please. Some reading recs! Learn more about The Hilling Journey . Follow us on Instagram @TheHillingJourney.

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Hilling Through Loving in a F***ed Up World With Dean Spade show art Hilling Through Loving in a F***ed Up World With Dean Spade

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Lindsay and Ilyse speak with activist and author of "Love in a Fucked Up World," Dean Spade on the healing power of relationships and how to have better ones. Dean shares all he has learned about relationships through his own hilling journey and being in activist spaces. They touch on each of their favorite topics including app culture, grief, attachment, and sexuality. You don't want to miss out on Dean's wisdom and Lindsay's tears. Find his book at your local independent bookstore and find him on social media at @spade.dean You can find your hosts on socials @thehillingjourney and on 

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Hilling Through Understanding Attachment Theory (and Adapting for Modern Dating) show art Hilling Through Understanding Attachment Theory (and Adapting for Modern Dating)

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As Lindsay is indisposed this week, Ilyse takes to the mic to yap about Attachment Theory. She gives a beginner's rundown of Attachment Theory and how it helps us understand ourselves in relationships. She can't drop a theory without a hot take. She calls out the tiktok dating coaches to bring to light what they're getting wrong iabout the anxious/avoidant dance in early dating and why we need to adjust how we understand attachment in relation to early dating and the digital age. If you want to learn more about attachment theory, Ilyse recommends: "The Power of Discord" by Ed Tronick and...

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Hilling Through Plants With Andres Sanchez show art Hilling Through Plants With Andres Sanchez

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In this special earth day episode, Lindsay and Ilyse speak with the incredible Andres Sanchez, an Intuitive Plant Healer about the healing powers of nature. Through his gift, Andres connects his clients with "plant allies" to aid in their hilling. He speaks to them about utilizing plants for inner child work, his path to becoming a healer, and why others with healing gifts are particularly drawn to his work. The hosts speak about their own experiences working with Andres, including connecting with some forrest faeries to manage an office flea infestation. To learn more about Andres' work, you...

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Hilling Through De-centering Romantic Relationships show art Hilling Through De-centering Romantic Relationships

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Reading Love In a Fucked Up World, by , got our wheels turning around the concepts: "romance myths" and de-centering romantic relationships. Questions and theories have been posed: should/could/would one person, your romantic partner, be your whole world? Is rigidity around that harmful? How harmful? How can we create more sustainable, rich, evolving relationships? “Today, we turn to one person to provide what an entire village once did," Lindsay is still sober from dating and Ilyse is getting more and more sober-curious with each passing scam. If we sound annoyingly jaded... we are. We are...

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Hilling Through Taylor Swift with Amanda White, LPC show art Hilling Through Taylor Swift with Amanda White, LPC

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Lindsay and Ilyse talk to therapist and author Amanda White, LPC about the hilling powers of Taylor Swift. They delve in to Amanda's journey with sobriety and how Taylor Swift has been with her along the way. They explore the impact of the Era's Tour and Ilyse shares how Taylor Swift can help weed out toxic men on dating apps. To learn more about Amanda visit or find her on Instagram and TikTok @Therapyforwomen . You can find her book, "Not Drinking Tonight," . To learn more about The Hilling Journey Podcast visit You can find us on Instagram and TikTok @thehillingjourney .

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Hilling Through Body Modification show art Hilling Through Body Modification

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Ilyse and Lindsay talk about the healing power of body modification and tattoos. From talks of their first tattoos to the power of body modification for owning and reclaiming the body. To learn more about The Hilling Journey podcast visit and @thehillingjourney on all social media.

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Hilling Through Flirting With Benjamin Camras aka The Flirt Coach show art Hilling Through Flirting With Benjamin Camras aka The Flirt Coach

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The dating talk continues as Lindsay and Ilyse bring in an expert to get the lowdown on their antics. Benjamin Camras aka The Flirt Coach joins to give his expertise on all things dating and flirting. They get the green light on tasteful first traps but a red light on sending nudes.   

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Ilyse and Lindsay sit down with grief activist, author, and podcast host Lisa Keefauver to talk about her journey through grief and her book, "Grief is a Sneaky Bitch: An Uncensored Guide to Navigating Loss." They dive in to the lack of grief support in western culture and what we ACTUALLY need when processing grief, of course touching in to the joys and whimsies.

Lisa Keefauver, MSW is a Grief Activist who transformed her personal and professional experiences with loss into a mission to reimagine grief. As host of a top-rated grief podcast, TEDx and keynote speaker, adjunct professor, and author of Grief is a Sneaky Bitch: An Uncensored Guide to Navigating Loss, she is expanding our collective story of grief.

You can find Lisa Keefauver at https://lisakeefauver.com/

Visit https://www.thehillingjourney.com/ to learn more.