The Hilling Journey

Two therapist besties explore the art of healing through their own healing processes of grief from death and divorce. They interview various healers from psychic mediums to grief experts and have frank and funny conversations around the lengths we go to to "hill."

Hilling Through Ketamine Assisted Psychotherapy 06/08/2025

Hilling Through Ketamine Assisted Psychotherapy Lindsay is once again unavail but Ilyse sits down with Ketamine Assisted Psychotherapy baddie: Grace Lawrie, LPC- Associate (she/they). Come get your questions about psychotherapy and psychedelics answered in this exciting episode! Learn more about Grace and their work ! You can find your hosts on socials @thehillingjourney and on *transcript coming soon! /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/36907125

Hilling From Limerence With Julia Berg and Phoebe Coccetti 05/24/2025

Hilling From Limerence With Julia Berg and Phoebe Coccetti The hosts speak with Julia Berg, LPC-Associate and Phoebe Coccetti, LPC-Associate about all things limerence. The term is used to describe fantasizing and obsessing over someone you don't have a relationship with or can never be with. These therapists began a support group to aid daters experiencing limerence. We cover everything from what it says about our attachment systems to Lindsay and Ilyse exploring why they might be prone to such a state. Transcript coming soon! /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/36699910

Hilling Through Divorce 05/17/2025

Hilling Through Divorce Forever hilling. Ilyse's divorce has been final for over a year and Lindsay's will be final any day now. After each being in their relationships for 13 years they have a lot to say on the topic of togetherness, seperation, and aloneness. More conversations, less stigma and shame please. Some reading recs! Learn more about The Hilling Journey . Follow us on Instagram @TheHillingJourney. /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/36609755

Hilling Through Loving in a F***ed Up World With Dean Spade 05/14/2025

Hilling Through Loving in a F***ed Up World With Dean Spade Lindsay and Ilyse speak with activist and author of "Love in a Fucked Up World," Dean Spade on the healing power of relationships and how to have better ones. Dean shares all he has learned about relationships through his own hilling journey and being in activist spaces. They touch on each of their favorite topics including app culture, grief, attachment, and sexuality. You don't want to miss out on Dean's wisdom and Lindsay's tears. Find his book at your local independent bookstore and find him on social media at @spade.dean You can find your hosts on socials @thehillingjourney and on /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/36565085

Hilling Through Understanding Attachment Theory (and Adapting for Modern Dating) 05/02/2025

Hilling Through Understanding Attachment Theory (and Adapting for Modern Dating) As Lindsay is indisposed this week, Ilyse takes to the mic to yap about Attachment Theory. She gives a beginner's rundown of Attachment Theory and how it helps us understand ourselves in relationships. She can't drop a theory without a hot take. She calls out the tiktok dating coaches to bring to light what they're getting wrong iabout the anxious/avoidant dance in early dating and why we need to adjust how we understand attachment in relation to early dating and the digital age. If you want to learn more about attachment theory, Ilyse recommends: "The Power of Discord" by Ed Tronick and Claudia M. Gold "Secure Relating" by Sue Marriott and Ann Kelley "The Power of Attachment" by Diane Poole Heller Learn more about The Hilling Journey . Follow us on Instagram @TheHillingJourney. /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/36403715

Hilling Through Plants With Andres Sanchez 04/26/2025

Hilling Through Plants With Andres Sanchez In this special earth day episode, Lindsay and Ilyse speak with the incredible Andres Sanchez, an Intuitive Plant Healer about the healing powers of nature. Through his gift, Andres connects his clients with "plant allies" to aid in their hilling. He speaks to them about utilizing plants for inner child work, his path to becoming a healer, and why others with healing gifts are particularly drawn to his work. The hosts speak about their own experiences working with Andres, including connecting with some forrest faeries to manage an office flea infestation. To learn more about Andres' work, you can find him on socials @TheFeistyHealer and subscribe to his beautiful where he shares musings on the healing powers of plants. To learn more about The Hilling Journey, find us on socials @thehillingjourney and on our . If you love what you're hearing subscribe and leave a review! /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/36321770

Hilling Through De-centering Romantic Relationships 04/19/2025

Hilling Through De-centering Romantic Relationships Reading Love In a Fucked Up World, by , got our wheels turning around the concepts: "romance myths" and de-centering romantic relationships. Questions and theories have been posed: should/could/would one person, your romantic partner, be your whole world? Is rigidity around that harmful? How harmful? How can we create more sustainable, rich, evolving relationships? “Today, we turn to one person to provide what an entire village once did," Lindsay is still sober from dating and Ilyse is getting more and more sober-curious with each passing scam. If we sound annoyingly jaded... we are. We are enraged with the programming and our participation + perpetuation. Taylor Armstrong ENOUGH. Do we still love love? Of coooourse. We don't identify as anti-romantic relationship but do often lean Girl-Break-Up-With-Him. In this yap-session, we gush over current lomls: family, chosen family, Mother Earth, and ourselves. Come hill attachment wounds, app culture trauma, and all the bullshit alongside us! and come back next week for our conversation with Dean Spade!! Visit to learn more about our podcast and on Instagram. **transcript coming soon! /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/36228275

Hilling Through Taylor Swift with Amanda White, LPC 04/11/2025

Hilling Through Taylor Swift with Amanda White, LPC Lindsay and Ilyse talk to therapist and author Amanda White, LPC about the hilling powers of Taylor Swift. They delve in to Amanda's journey with sobriety and how Taylor Swift has been with her along the way. They explore the impact of the Era's Tour and Ilyse shares how Taylor Swift can help weed out toxic men on dating apps. To learn more about Amanda visit or find her on Instagram and TikTok @Therapyforwomen . You can find her book, "Not Drinking Tonight," . To learn more about The Hilling Journey Podcast visit You can find us on Instagram and TikTok @thehillingjourney . /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/36093260

Hilling Through Body Modification 04/05/2025

Hilling Through Body Modification Ilyse and Lindsay talk about the healing power of body modification and tattoos. From talks of their first tattoos to the power of body modification for owning and reclaiming the body. To learn more about The Hilling Journey podcast visit and @thehillingjourney on all social media. /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/36014790

Hilling Through Flirting With Benjamin Camras aka The Flirt Coach 03/28/2025

Hilling Through Flirting With Benjamin Camras aka The Flirt Coach The dating talk continues as Lindsay and Ilyse bring in an expert to get the lowdown on their antics. Benjamin Camras aka The Flirt Coach joins to give his expertise on all things dating and flirting. They get the green light on tasteful first traps but a red light on sending nudes. /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/35911795

Hilling Through Dating 03/21/2025

Hilling Through Dating A dating episode from the divorce queens! This week, Lindsay reveals an announcement and the two besties call each other out on their bullshit like only besties can. Ilyse and Lindsay check in with each other on the topic of dating and share some of the things that are helping them heal when it comes to dating, relationships, and hooking up. Lunar eclipse, hitchhiking ghosts, and microdosing. Visit to learn more about our podcast and @thehillingjourney on Instagram. /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/35802375

Hilling Through Hacks 03/14/2025

Hilling Through Hacks As therapists, we know feelings are best felt and the painful ones often require extra support. Between our banter and bullsh*t, we are sharing some hacks for getting through different parts of grief. No, we don't subscribe to the 5 stages of grief. We talk about the beginning when everything is impossible, the part when you start feeling your feet on the ground again, and the part where you start grappling with your new reality. As Rev Meg, a hiller of our past, told us: some people trudge through this quicksand, you two are dancing through it. Visit to learn more about our podcast and @thehillingjourney on Instagram. /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/35682030

Hilling Through the Other Side With Tara Bonner 03/14/2025

Hilling Through the Other Side With Tara Bonner On this episode Lindsay and Ilyse welcome their psychic medium in residence, Tara Bonner of Heartseed Healing and Lindsay's dead mom, who Tara brings right on through from the other side. The besties talk about how mediumship has helped on their grief journeys--whether gaining insight on their love lives, or connecting with a beloved family member or pet. Through Tara, they also get to interview their VIP guest, Karen Camp, whose energy bursts through the pod. To learn more about Tara Bonners work visit and @heartseedhealing on Instagram. Visit to learn more about our podcast and @thehillingjourney on Instagram. /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/35681195

Hilling Through Grief With Lisa Keefauver 02/28/2025

Hilling Through Grief With Lisa Keefauver Ilyse and Lindsay sit down with grief activist, author, and podcast host Lisa Keefauver to talk about her journey through grief and her book, "Grief is a Sneaky Bitch: An Uncensored Guide to Navigating Loss." They dive in to the lack of grief support in western culture and what we ACTUALLY need when processing grief, of course touching in to the joys and whimsies. Lisa Keefauver, MSW is a Grief Activist who transformed her personal and professional experiences with loss into a mission to reimagine grief. As host of a top-rated grief podcast, TEDx and keynote speaker, adjunct professor, and author of Grief is a Sneaky Bitch: An Uncensored Guide to Navigating Loss, she is expanding our collective story of grief. You can find Lisa Keefauver at Visit to learn more. /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/35448685

Hilling Through Friendship Part 2 02/21/2025

Hilling Through Friendship Part 2 In episode 2, Lindsay interviews Ilyse as they get in to the nitty gritty of grieving a divorce. From ketamine therapy to Taylor Swift, and a grief retreat featuring Megan Thee Stallion. These besties continue to give the lay of the land for their hilling journeys, pop culture references, and deep friendship. Buy Ilyse's book For more information visit www.thehillingjourney.com /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/35345340

Hilling Through Friendship Part 1 02/18/2025

Hilling Through Friendship Part 1 In our first episode of The Hilling Journey Podcast you'll meet your hosts and learn what the heck 'hilling journey' means. Ilyse interviews Lindsay in a way only a bestie can--pulling out humor and tears. They'll orient you to time and place as you start to learn about the wacky shit they've been up to on their hilling journeys while delving in to the depths of grief after the passing of Lindsay's mom. To learn more visit www.thehillingjourney.com /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/35280775

Hilling With a Teaser 02/14/2025

Hilling With a Teaser As a wise poet once said at the beginning of an epic around the world arena tour... "it's been a long time coming." The Hilling Journey podcast is here! In this teaser episode, Ilyse Kennedy, LPC-S, LMFT-S and Lindsay Camp, LMFT acquaint you with their best friendship and what they'll get up to on this season of The Hilling Journey. With a soft open of a message from the other side via their psychic medium, Tara. As well as a soft warning of who might not want to listen (their dads and clients), they set the stage for a season exploring what it means to be a therapist in the trenches of your own hilling journey. Between the nuggets of wisdom, there will be pop culture references, and some minor vulgarity. You've been warned. To learn more about The Hilling Journey podcast visit and follow us on Instagram @thehillingjourney. /episode/index/show/72bab237-382d-4636-8965-8c7364452f62/id/35285830

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