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EP 40: Interview with Amanda Asproni: What is Enmeshment and How Does it Affect Affair Recovery Work?

Sam's Healing Podcast

Release Date: 04/30/2025

EP 59 with Sharon Rinearson: EP 59 with Sharon Rinearson: "I Don't Think I Could Have Been More Disrespected by my Husband..."

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How does the betrayed understand the heinous choices of the unfaithful?   "If my unfaithful truly cared about me, how could they make the choices they have made to be unfaithful and go outside the marriage?"   How does the betrayed work through the understanding of why the unfaithful had such a flurry of activity for their affair partners, but NOT for the betrayed spouse themselves?  How could they and how DID they work so hard for the affair partners but yet so little on the marriage and for their spouses?     Sharon Rinearson—an expert therapist with 30+ years of...

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EP 58: EP 58: "It Was Like a Death to the Life I Had Planned." A Betrayed Guest Shares Her Story

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If you’re a betrayed partner, you know: infidelity can feel like a death. The death of a marriage. The loss of the life you planned. The shattering of what you thought you were living. For those who haven’t faced it, that comparison might sound dramatic—but for survivors, it’s reality. The grief and pain after discovering infidelity or addiction can be overwhelming, and “moving on” can feel impossible. Yet, in today’s episode, you’ll meet Joanie—a client and survivor—who bravely shares her journey for the first time. Joanie’s story is raw, honest, and ultimately hopeful:...

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EP 57: Dr. Matthew Hedelius: Is My Spouse a Sex Addict or Just Dealing with Sexual Compulsivity? show art EP 57: Dr. Matthew Hedelius: Is My Spouse a Sex Addict or Just Dealing with Sexual Compulsivity?

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Have you ever wondered if you or your partner was truly a sex addict?  Perhaps you're wondering if you or your partner are maybe dealing with sexual compulsivity?   What in fact is this 'sexual compulsivity?'   Today you'll meet Dr. Matthew Hedelius Psy. D., LCSW, CSAT-S who has been a regular guest on the podcast over the years and is the Director of Paradise Creek Recovery Center.   Dr. Matthew Hedelius earned a B.S. degree in Family Sciences, a Masters Degree in Clinical Social Work and a Doctor of Psychology Degree. He has provided treatment for both men and women who...

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EP 56: Guest Amanda Asproni EP 56: Guest Amanda Asproni "My Unfaithful Keeps Wanting me, the Betrayed, to Rescue Them."

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Today’s episode of Sam’s Healing Podcast features a courageous and deeply empathetic interview with Amanda Asproni as we confront the raw realities of infidelity and betrayal trauma.   Together, we examine why so many unfaithful partners desperately want those they've betrayed to show up for them—longing for their partner to absorb and manage their shame, rescue them emotionally, and shoulder responsibility for healing, even after breaking trust. Amanda offers clear, compassionate insight into the tangled mix of guilt, regret, and helplessness that often overwhelms individuals who...

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Helping the Unfaithful Move From Helping the Unfaithful Move From "Not It!" to "Got it!"

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On today's episode of “Moving from Not It to Got It,” Sam takes listeners on an honest journey through the pivotal moment when an unfaithful spouse chooses to stop deflecting and starts owning their actions. The episode opens by breaking down the psychological reality of the “Not It” phase—where self-protection, avoidance, and justification keep an individual stuck, unable to truly connect with their partner or heal the damage from infidelity. The reality is, “Not It” causes a significant amount of collateral damage including but certainly not limited to:   blocking all...

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EP 55: Dr. Jill Manning: Infidelity, Betrayal Trauma and and the Use of Alcohol to Escape show art EP 55: Dr. Jill Manning: Infidelity, Betrayal Trauma and and the Use of Alcohol to Escape

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In the aftermath of betrayal trauma, many adults turn to alcohol or other substances in search of relief. It might feel like a way to escape, to quiet pain and overwhelm, or simply to get through another day. What’s really happening is “numbing out”—using alcohol and drugs to suppress painful emotions, calm anxiety, and insulate from distressing memories. The urge to numb out is understandable, but over time, relying on substances creates new problems and blocks authentic healing. As a clinician, Dr. Jill Manning is seeing a troubling increase in alcohol use among those suffering...

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EP 54: Guest Amanda Asproni Discusses: What Does Weaponizing Therapy or Coaching Look Like? show art EP 54: Guest Amanda Asproni Discusses: What Does Weaponizing Therapy or Coaching Look Like?

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When infidelity or addiction has shaken a relationship, couples often turn to coaching or therapy for healing. These tools are designed to help people rebuild trust, understand pain, and create healthier patterns. At their best, they provide safety, empathy, and clarity. But when the language and frameworks of therapy or coaching are misused, they can become weapons.  Instead of supporting healing, they deepen wounds, reinforce blame, and prevent genuine repair. After cheating or addiction, emotions are raw. One partner may grasp at therapy concepts to regain control or avoid...

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EP 53: How Could You? An Unfaithful Shares How He Allowed Himself to Cheat show art EP 53: How Could You? An Unfaithful Shares How He Allowed Himself to Cheat

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Why does the unfaithful cheat or act out?  What allows them to go against their moral compass and engage in an extramarital affair?  How do they justify it to themselves?   The truth may challenge what you've come to believe about some unfaithful partners.   For some it's anger and getting their needs met.  For others it can even be subconscious retaliation for the perceived rejection by their partner or spouse.  For others it's an exit affair.   Today you'll hear from Ryan who shares his own individual story of why he acted out and what was going on inside...

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EP 52: EP 52: "I Was About to Lose Everything I Valued...." Interview with Ryan a Former Unfaithful

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Have you ever wondered what goes through the mind of an unfaithful when they are about to lose everything?  Have you considered that maybe, just maybe there are those who sober up, realize what they are about to lose and actually do recovery work?  Today you'll hear from Ryan again, a former unfaithful who shares more of his compelling journey to healing as an unfaithful spouse who finally GOT IT.   He's no rock star.   He's no superman or super human.   He's simply one of so many who have chosen to do the work and do whatever it takes to save his family.   Maybe...

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EP 51: Interview with Adam Nisenson EP 51: Interview with Adam Nisenson "Well...you did that for them...why won't you do it for me?"

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What does the betrayed do when they feel as though the unfaithful just won't do the work?  Yet, the unfaithful, seemingly showed all sorts of effort to pursue their affair partner?   What choices does the betrayed male have in understanding the heart and mind of the unfaithful woman?  Are there parallels between the unfaithful male and unfaithful female?   Today you'll hear from returning guest Adam Nisenson, AKA The Betrayal Shrink, as he answers these tough questions and more. Adam combines his extensive clinical skills with a deeply empathetic heart in his role as a...

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Enmeshment is a term from psychology that describes a relationship dynamic where personal boundaries are overly blurred, and people become emotionally over-involved with each other. It often happens in families or close relationships, where one person's emotions, needs, or identity are heavily entangled with another's, to the point that individual autonomy is lost.

For example, a parent might rely on their child for emotional support inappropriately, or feel threatened when the child seeks independence. It can feel like you're not allowed to have your own thoughts, feelings, or choices without it affecting—or being controlled by—someone else.

Enmeshment makes it hard for a betrayed spouse to understand their partner’s infidelity because their emotional world is so intertwined with their partner’s that the betrayal doesn’t just hurt—it shatters their sense of reality.  

Today you'll hear from Amanda Asproni, an expert in both affair recovery and enmeshment who has not only lived through this enmeshment but has also found freedom and healing from both enmeshment and betrayal trauma.  

Here’s why it’s so hard to heal from betrayal trauma when enmeshment has further complicated the healing process:

No “separate self” to fall back on: In an enmeshed relationship, the betrayed spouse may not have a strong sense of individual identity outside the relationship. So when their partner cheats, it feels like their own identity is being torn apart. It’s not just "You hurt me", it’s "Who even am I if you did this?"

Extreme cognitive dissonance: In enmeshed dynamics, the relationship is often idealized. So the idea that the partner could cheat feels impossible to reconcile—it doesn’t fit the internal narrative. Instead of thinking, "You made a choice I don’t understand," the betrayed spouse might think, "I must have missed something huge, or this is somehow my fault."

Over-identification with the other: They may focus more on why their partner cheated (looking to fix or understand them), instead of processing their own hurt. There’s often a compulsion to keep the relationship intact—even if it means bypassing their own emotions or truth.

Emotional fusion blocks objectivity: When feelings are so closely linked, it’s hard to step back and evaluate the situation clearly. The betrayed spouse may feel their partner’s pain more than their own, or become obsessed with “making sense of it” to ease the chaos inside.

At its core, enmeshment turns betrayal into an identity crisis rather than just a relational rupture—which makes understanding the infidelity way more painful and confusing.

While entanglement can be overwhelming, there is way out and there is a pathway to healing for you and your own journey. 

Keep Going, 
Sam


To contact Amanda Asproni please email her at amanda@healingaffairscounseling.com 
To contact Sam please email him at samshealingpodcast@gmail.com