EP 44: Featuring Michael Webb and Psychological Games Couples Play: "If It Weren't for You..."
Release Date: 06/08/2025
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Tyler Patrick LMFT returns to the podcast to discuss why we the unfaithful constantly revert to defensiveness and avoidance when trying to heal ourselves or our relationships. Have you ever wondered why you, the unfaithful, will fire back to your partner's questions or comments with harsh defensiveness? Can you remember a time when you WEREN'T DEFENSIVE? What about avoidance? Has avoidance become your best friend when it comes to surviving infidelity as well as life's stresses and anxieties? Do you think there is a reason you're avoidant? Has it proven to...
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Continuing the series on "Psychological Games Couples Play," Michael Webb and I discuss another game within the realm of Psychological Games. This game is not only deep but usually ingrained within the communication style of one or both parties. It's called "I've Got You Now...." It's one of the most insidious games couples fall into subconsciously as they seek to heal from infidelity and betrayal trauma. While able to be overcome and eventually diffused, it requires a deeper journey into the mind and trauma, of the unfaithful and betrayed. Couples who are dealing...
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Continuing the series on "Psychological Games Couples Play," Michael Webb and I discuss another game within the realm of Psychological Games called If It Weren't for You. Ever find yourself in the same frustrating argument with someone, especially your spouse— even though it starts off innocent and you swear this time it’ll go differently? But somehow, it spirals into a familiar mess? That’s not just bad luck. You might be stuck in a psychological game. Psychological games are repetitive patterns of hidden communication people play with each other, often unconsciously. They seem...
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Meet Adam Nisenson, known as the Betrayal Shrink. Adam combines his extensive clinical skills with a deeply empathetic heart in his role as a Betrayal Trauma Coach. Licensed as a Marriage and Family Therapist and Certified Sex Addiction Therapist, Adam is dedicated to guiding men through the complex emotions and challenges of betrayal trauma. He's also the author of A Man's Guide to Partner Betrayal, which is a one of a kind book geared towards betrayed men, hoping to find new life after their partner's infidelity. His methodology is deeply influenced by his intimate grasp of the...
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Enmeshment is a term from psychology that describes a relationship dynamic where personal boundaries are overly blurred, and people become emotionally over-involved with each other. It often happens in families or close relationships, where one person's emotions, needs, or identity are heavily entangled with another's, to the point that individual autonomy is lost. For example, a parent might rely on their child for emotional support inappropriately, or feel threatened when the child seeks independence. It can feel like you're not allowed to have your own thoughts, feelings, or choices without...
info_outlineContinuing the series on "Psychological Games Couples Play," Michael Webb and I discuss another game within the realm of Psychological Games called If It Weren't for You.
Ever find yourself in the same frustrating argument with someone, especially your spouse— even though it starts off innocent and you swear this time it’ll go differently? But somehow, it spirals into a familiar mess?
That’s not just bad luck. You might be stuck in a psychological game.
Psychological games are repetitive patterns of hidden communication people play with each other, often unconsciously. They seem harmless on the surface, but they end with someone feeling hurt, guilty, or angry — just like before.
These games follow a pattern:
A hidden motive or unspoken message
A predictable sequence of interactions
A negative payoff (emotional discomfort or conflict)
They’re not about fun — more like emotional traps that we fall into, often learned in childhood, resulting in confusion, hurt feelings and deep seated resentment.
Transactional Analysis, developed by psychiatrist Eric Berne, is a theory of communication and personality. In TA, our interactions are seen as “transactions” between different parts of ourselves:
👶 Child (emotions, creativity, needs, or rebellion)
👨👩👧 Parent (rules, judgments, values — often inherited from authority figures)
🧑 Adult (rational, in-the-moment decision-making)
When people interact, they’re often unconsciously switching between these ego states. Games happen when there’s a mismatch or hidden motive behind a transaction — for example, someone may act like they want help (Adult to Adult), but are actually seeking to feel victimized (Child to Parent).
Today Michael Webb shares how couples subconsciously participate in these games, especially those dealing with infidelity or addiction and highlights a massively toxic game of If It Weren't for You.....
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