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Are Life Insurance Companies Safe? Mutual vs Stock Companies & PE Firm Truth: Between The Lies Episode 017

Between the Lies Podcast

Release Date: 12/16/2025

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Remember when The Circle came out and everyone kind of laughed it off? A social media company that just… becomes the government? Cute little dystopian fiction. Yeah. Elon Musk is pushing X toward full "everything app" status, payments, savings accounts, a Visa partnership, money on deposit. It's being sold as convenience. And it probably will be convenient. That's kind of the problem. This week Luke, Rob, and I dug into what happens when you let a single platform own your financial life. We used WeChat as our case study, a billion-plus users in China, integrated payments, location data,...

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There's a move they run every single quarter and it works every time. Some government agency throws out an economic number. It's good. It makes the front page. The world moves on. Then a month later, quietly, that number gets revised down. Then revised again. And by the time the truth shows up, it's page 63 of a policy wonk newsletter that three people read. This week on Between The Lies, Luke, Rob, and I dig into exactly that playbook — specifically the Q4 GDP revision that is honestly a masterclass in "trust me bro" economics. Here's what happened: The advance estimate for Q4 GDP growth...

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They gave it a name. A fancy, Hollywood-sounding name. The Magnificent Seven. Once again reality does it's level best to ape fiction. Welcome back to Between The Lies. I'm Nicky P, here with Luke Tatum and Rob Brayton from Perfect Spiral Capital, and this week we're talking about the seven largest stocks in the S&P 500 — Microsoft, Meta, Tesla, Nvidia, Alphabet, Amazon, and Apple — and why every single one of them is down on the year as of late March 2026. Some of them significantly. Tesla is down 26%. Microsoft is down 15%. The S&P 500 as a whole is sitting at a little over 9% in...

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You've probably been hearing the word "stagflation" thrown around a lot lately and thinking — I have no idea what that means. Don't worry. Neither did I exactly. So I asked my experts.   Short version: prices go up, jobs disappear, and the economy stops growing. All at the same time. Fun stuff.   The reason this word keeps popping up right now is that we're already living in an economy that's been feeling off for a while — and a few nasty ingredients are coming together at once. Oil prices are up around 40% thanks to ongoing conflict in the Middle East. GDP growth just got...

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Blue Owl Capital just told its investors "just kidding" about being able to get their money back. If you missed it, they halted redemptions on their private equity shares. Permanently. As in, you thought that was your money, but it turns out it was their money the whole time.   Welcome to the world of non-depository financial institutions — what Luke calls NDFIs, what we call No Diffys. These are the places where an absolutely enormous amount of money lives that isn't sitting in any bank you've ever walked into. We're talking $1.8 trillion in private credit alone. And very little of...

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As we prepare for the Fed to change leadership, I'm reminded that Trump might be the worst person in the world at making political appointments. Welcome to Episode 025 of Between The Lies, where Luke Tatum and Rob Brayton from Perfect Spiral Capital help me understand why Kevin Warsh - Trump's likely pick to replace Jerome Powell as Fed Chair - represents everything wrong with our monetary system. Here's what bothers me most about this whole situation: Warsh is as conventional and Morgan Stanley as you can possibly get. He's the definition of a yes man who will do exactly what Trump wants -...

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Silver and gold going up simultaneously should tell you something about your dollar.   Nothing good to my mind.   Welcome to Between The Lies, where Luke Tatum and Rob Brayton from Perfect Spiral Capital help me understand what it means when precious metals hit all-time highs while everyone's celebrating stock market records. Spoiler: It's not about gold getting more valuable.   What We Cover: Gresham's Law explained: Bad money drives out good money Basel III banking regulations forcing banks to hold physical gold/silver as tier one assets Why JPMorgan Chase paid $920...

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We keep getting asked in the YouTube comments: How are you any type of alternative when life insurance companies still make money off investments? This week's Between The Lies tackles that question head-on with some uncomfortable truths Bloomberg doesn't want you to understand.
Luke and Rob break down a recent Bloomberg article warning about private equity firms creating "credit hazards" in retirement funds. The article highlights companies like Apollo Group and Athene taking risky leveraged positions with your money. But here's what Bloomberg conveniently omits: They're talking about stock-owned insurance companies playing PE games, not the mutually-owned companies we actually work with.
 
Rob explains the fundamental difference most people miss: Mutual life insurance companies are owned by policyholders, not stockholders chasing quarterly profits. These companies survived the Great Depression with only 5% failure rates while 16% of banks collapsed. During 2008's financial crisis, even AIG's life insurance subsidiaries required zero bailout money - completely solvent while their mortgage-backed securities division imploded.
 
Luke tackles the private equity angle directly. Yes, PE firms use 80% leveraged deals to extract value and leave companies holding the debt. But that happens with stock companies optimized for shareholder returns, not mutually-owned insurers where policyholders vote on major decisions. There's a massive difference between Apollo Group manipulating Athene's portfolio and Northwestern Mutual's 130+ year track record of contractual profitability.
 
The real story Bloomberg won't tell: Life insurance companies are the single largest store of genuine wealth in America. They're required by all 50 states to maintain massive reserves, undergo annual stress testing, and prove liquidity to pay claims. While 65-75% of their portfolios sit in investment-grade AAA corporate bonds, Bloomberg focuses on the 0.25% in higher-risk investments and screams about systemic failure.
 
This is classic fear-mongering designed to keep you dependent on Wall Street's 401k casino while ignoring the only financial institution that's actually required to be solvent. When you control your own capital through properly structured mutual life insurance, you don't need to worry about whether private equity firms are playing games - because those aren't the companies you're working with.
Rob's bottom line: When you're informed about how these companies are actually structured, you know what to do. Vet who you work with. Understand what products actually do. Build wealth through systems designed for long-term policy owner benefit, not quarterly shareholder profits.
 
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