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Security & GRC Decoded

Release Date: 03/06/2025

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In this episode of Security & GRC Decoded, host Raj Krishnamurthy (CEO of ComplianceCow) sits down with Ayoub Fandi, a Staff Security Assurance Engineer at GitLab and co-author of the GRC Engineering Manifesto, for a deep dive into the evolution of GRC through an engineering lens. Ayoub shares how his background in consulting and cloud-native startups led him to question the traditional, checklist-heavy approach to GRC—and why embracing real-time data, automation, and developer-friendly processes is the key to building stronger security and compliance programs.

He also reveals his controversial perspective on external certifications—explaining why they can sometimes feel overrated—and makes the case for continuous, risk-based assurance that truly reflects an organization’s security posture. If you’ve ever felt the “cognitive dissonance” of outdated compliance controls in a modern engineering world, this conversation is a must-listen.

Key Takeaways
Bridging the Gap with Engineering: How GRC teams can embed themselves into developers’ workflows (e.g., JIRA, pull requests) to gain more accurate data and achieve real-time compliance insights.
Continuous vs. Annual Audits: The advantages of leveraging APIs and automation to monitor control effectiveness in near real-time, instead of relying on point-in-time evidence.
Rethinking External Certifications: Why these certifications can be a misleading representation of true security and how GRC professionals can ensure audits deliver real value.
Building a Modern GRC Program: Practical tips on designing policies and controls that align with fast-paced, cloud-native environments—minus the “waterfall mentality.”

Tune in to hear why GRC must evolve alongside today’s DevOps-driven world, and how you can unlock greater efficiency, credibility, and trust by adopting an engineering-first approach to governance, risk, and compliance.

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