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A Journey Into Wolf Park with Ryan Talbot [Episode 270]

Release Date: 12/29/2025

Beyond Lima: The New Joint Standards of Practice with Dot Baisly [Episode 284]

Animal Training Academy

In this deeply informative conversation, Ryan Cartlidge is joined by Dot Baisly—the Executive Director for the International Association of Animal Behaviour Consultants (IAABC). With an extensive background in shelter behavior, veterinary medicine, and private consulting, Dot brings a wealth of experience to the table, having previously led behavior programs at major organizations like the North East Animal Shelter and the Animal Rescue League of Boston. Dot holds a Master’s Degree in Animal Behaviour from Tufts University and is a Certified Dog Behaviour Consultant, Certified Cat...

Understanding Assent and Degrees of Freedom with Kim Palermo [Episode 283]

Animal Training Academy

In this insightful and thought-provoking conversation, Ryan Cartlidge is joined by Kim Palermo—a Certified Control Unleashed Instructor (CCUI) and Animal Centred Education (ACE) Practitioner with over 20 years of professional experience in the dog training industry. A lifelong animal enthusiast who owns Blue Dog training and walking business near Boston, Kim brings a blend of academic rigor, from her degree in zoology, and compassionate curiosity to her work with dogs and other species. Together, Ryan and Kim explore the power of observation and the critical importance of creating "safe...

Leading with Compassion for Humans and Dogs with Danielle Beck [Episode 282]

Animal Training Academy

In this deeply personal conversation, Ryan Cartlidge is joined by Danielle Beck — a UK-based clinical animal behaviorist, mentor, and founder of Control The Meerkat. With a rich background spanning over 20 years in zoology and companion animal behavior, Danielle brings a unique and vulnerable lens to the profession, specializing in complex cases involving trauma, aggression, emotional regulation, and assistance dog training. Together, Ryan and Danielle explore the critical and often overlooked reality of isolation within the animal training industry. Danielle opens up about her personal...

From Intuition to Objective Evidence with Shane Gorbett [Episode 281]

Animal Training Academy

In this insightful conversation, Ryan Cartlidge is joined by Shane Gorbett — Curator of Animal Training and Behavior at the Philadelphia Zoo and current President of the Animal Behavior Management Alliance (ABMA). Shane brings a wealth of experience from the zoological world, where he specializes in animal care training and behavior management. Bringing a rare analytical lens to the profession, Shane challenges us to look past "common sense" and intuition, and instead embrace objective data as the foundation for high-level animal welfare and professional advocacy. Together, Ryan and...

Street Dogs: Challenges and Coexistence with Kapil Patwardhan [Episode 280]

Animal Training Academy

In this perspective-shifting conversation, Ryan Cartlidge is joined by Kapil Patwardhan — a volunteer providing medical aid and food for dogs in Pune, India, an educator focused on community coexistence, and the author of the moving book The Dog I Could Not Save. Kapil brings a unique lens to the animal training world by advocating for the role of a "dog listener", emphasizing the profound wisdom found in free-ranging dogs who navigate complex human environments every day. Together, Ryan and Kapil explore the lives of "Indie" dogs and the delicate balance of coexisting with animals that...

Lessons from a Lifetime in Behaviour with Karen Deeds [Episode 279]

Animal Training Academy

In this episode of the Animal Training Academy Podcast, Ryan Cartlidge is joined by Karen Deeds — a Certified Dog Behavior Consultant through the IAABC and co-owner of Canine Connection in Memphis. Bringing over three decades of experience across assistance dogs, the veterinary profession, and competitive sports, Karen shares a profound "origin story" from the early 1990s—a traumatic assault that her own dog intervened in—which shifted her entire focus from traditional obedience training to the complex emotional world of animal behaviour. Together, Ryan and Karen explore the...

Finding Your Flow: Artistry in Dog Training with Steve Goodall [Episode 278]

Animal Training Academy

In this candid and soulful exploration of the trainer’s journey, Ryan Cartlidge sits down with Steve Goodall — a director of Packed Dogs Limited , an ABTC registered animal training instructor , and a published author based in a small hamlet in Wales . Steve offers a refreshing look at the "why" behind our interactions with animals, drawing on his eclectic background in the DIY punk music scene and sound engineering to highlight the delicate balance between technical protocols and creative intuition . From his early days as a postman to leading a nationally recognized training...

Clarity, Credibility & Collaboration with Natalie Light [Episode 277]

Animal Training Academy

In this thoughtful and practical conversation, Ryan Cartlidge is joined by Natalie Light — canine behaviourist, trainer, and director at PACT Dogs Ltd (Professional Association of Canine Trainers) in the UK. With a background that blends hands-on behaviour work, professional education, and a strong commitment to raising standards within the industry, Natalie brings a refreshingly grounded perspective to one of the most important (and often misunderstood) topics in dog training: what “good training” really looks like when we centre welfare, ethics, and long-term outcomes. Together, Ryan...

Building Values-Driven, Resilient Training Careers with Jason Light [Episode 276] 24032026

Animal Training Academy

In this perspective-shifting conversation, Ryan Cartlidge is joined by Jason Light — director at PACT Dogs Limited in the UK, sustainability consultant through Green Robin Consulting, and a chartered environmentalist with over 20 years of senior leadership experience, including serving as Head of Sustainability for an NHS Foundation Trust. Bringing a rare strategic lens to the animal training profession, Jason challenges us to think about “sustainability” as something far bigger than environmental impact alone — and instead, as the foundation for building ethical, resilient,...

Doing It Anyway: Confidence, Marketing & Growth with Veronica Boutelle [Episode 275]

Animal Training Academy

In this thoughtful and business-boosting conversation, Ryan Cartlidge is joined by returning guest Veronica Boutelle — founder of Dogbiz, author of How to Run a Dog Business, and a long-time leader in helping positive reinforcement dog trainers build sustainable, values-aligned businesses. With a rare blend of experience as a professional dog trainer, business owner, and former classroom teacher, teacher educator, and curriculum developer, Veronica brings a grounded, practical lens to the “softer skills” that can make or break a trainer’s confidence, visibility, and long-term success....

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In this first part of our conversation with Ryan Talbot, Behavioral Enrichment and Training Manager at Wolf Park, we dive into the winding and thoughtful path that brought him from computer engineering into the world of applied behavior analysis and cooperative care. Ryan shares how a formative visit to Wolf Park opened his eyes to the power of relationships built through understanding another being’s umwelt, setting him on a path of lifelong learning in behavior science.

Across the episode, Ryan reflects on how engineering thinking and behavior analysis intersect in his work. He discusses debugging software versus analyzing behavior, the parallels between instrumentation and communication, and how these concepts helped shape his approach to training wolves with clarity and compassion. Ryan also describes the early cooperative care efforts at Wolf Park, from reducing reliance on human wolf bonds to developing voluntary, transferable husbandry behaviors with the help of colleagues and mentors.

Together, Ryan and host Ryan Cartlidge explore themes of motivation, imposter syndrome, community, and what it means to contribute to a field from an unconventional starting point. From building wooden target blocks to prototyping touchscreen devices for wolves, Ryan shares how creativity, curiosity, and open source values influence both his training and his desire to help others learn and grow alongside their animals.

Throughout this episode, we explore:

✅ The moment at Wolf Park that sparked Ryan’s interest in behavior and umwelt
✅ How engineering concepts like debugging and instrumentation map onto behavior analysis
✅ The evolution of cooperative care training with wolves and wolf dogs at Wolf Park
✅ Why Ryan sees behavior as a physical science governed by predictable laws
✅ The influence of mentors and colleagues throughout his learning journey
✅ Thoughts on imposter syndrome, industry identity, and finding one’s place in the training community
✅ Open source values, tinkering, and creative tools that support clearer communication with learners

This conversation offers a fascinating look at how diverse backgrounds enrich our field, and how curiosity and compassion can shape meaningful work with animals.

Links

https://wolfpark.org/

https://www.facebook.com/wolfparkindiana

https://www.instagram.com/wolfparkindiana/

Links papers referred to during conversation:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40617-023-00890-1

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40617-023-00850-9

Throughout this episode, we explore:

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