From Invisible Hand to Heavy Hand: Government Stakes, AI, and the Shifting CapEx Cycle in U.S. Markets | EP197
Release Date: 09/17/2025
From Invisible Hand to Heavy Hand: Government Stakes, AI, and the Shifting CapEx Cycle in U.S. Markets | EP197
Art of Boring
In this episode, U.S. Equity Portfolio Manager Grayson Witcher explores the evolving intersection of government policy, innovation, and capital expenditure (CapEx) in U.S. markets. The discussion unpacks how public spending and strategic government stakes—especially in sectors like semiconductors and defense—are reshaping the investment landscape. Grayson reflects on the unique blend of complacency and optimism in today’s markets, the uncertain returns on massive AI-driven CapEx, and the importance of management quality and adaptability in navigating this new era. Key highlights: U.S....
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Convergence and Complacency: Today's Credit Markets | EP 196
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Brian Carney, lead portfolio manager of the global credit opportunities strategy, explores the current credit market environment characterized by tight spreads and low defaults despite global uncertainties. He discusses the concept of "convergence and complacency"—where large pools of capital chase lower-quality borrowers while markets overlook serious warning signs including political pressure on central banks and hidden leverage. The conversation covers key crisis indicators, the weakening of credit covenants over the past decade, and the risks associated with private credit. He outlines...
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From Inventory to Innovation: Canadian Small Caps in Focus | EP 195
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In this episode equity analyst Dominic Drzazga discusses the current state of Canadian small caps, highlighting how geopolitical volatility creates both challenges and opportunities. The conversation covers recent portfolio additions including Sprott's precious metals trust and Kraken's underwater robotics technology, while reflecting on the bittersweet exit of long-time holding Andlauer. Dom also shares insights into how the research team is utilizing AI tools within their process. Key Takeaways: How the Canadian Small Cap team navigates market volatility and geopolitical...
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Back to the Future: Global Equity | EP 194
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Paul Moroz returns to The Art of Boring podcast after three years, discussing his reappointment as lead manager of Mawer's global equity strategy. Paul outlines the team’s strategic approach to portfolio repositioning and reflects on how the investment landscape has evolved over the past five years. He emphasizes increased diversification, better alignment with other Mawer strategies, and a more balanced approach to market exposure. Key Takeaways: Paul Moroz and David Ragan have returned to the global equity strategy with renewed energy and focus The portfolio is...
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Quarterly Update | Q2 2025 | EP 193
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In this episode Canadian bond portfolio manager, Crista Caughlin, and balanced portfolio manager, Steven Visscher discuss Q2’s market and economic activity. Topics covered include “Liberation Day's” tariff shocks, central bank policies, inflation, and other themes. Key Takeaways: The announcement and subsequent deferral of sweeping U.S. tariffs caused significant market volatility, with a sharp initial selloff followed by a rapid recovery. The uncertainty around trade policy had a pronounced impact on economic growth expectations and market sentiment. The quarter...
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Customizing the Last Mile: AI, Innovation, and Mawer’s Tech Evolution | EP 192
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In this episode, Justin Anderson, Mawer’s Chief Technology Officer, sits down to discuss the evolving “build-in vs. build-out” technology framework. Justin explains how Mawer approaches technology decisions—balancing vendor solutions with in-house customization—and shares practical examples from the firm, including proprietary solutions such as trade&MAWER and M42. The conversation explores how advances in AI and large language models are accelerating the shift toward more tailored, efficient solutions. He also offers insights for investors on what to look for in management teams...
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Energy, Gold, and Growth: Current Insights on Canadian Markets | EP 191
Art of Boring
Mark Rutherford, co-manager of Mawer’s Canadian large cap strategy, discusses the ongoing volatility in oil, the unique role of gold, the outlook for Canadian banks, and the potential impact of recent political changes. Mark also shares how the Mawer team is leveraging AI to enhance their investment process and decision-making. Key Takeaways: • Oil Market: Global demand is rising, driven by economic growth and higher incomes, while supply is shaped by geopolitics, OPEC, and technology. • Canadian Banks: Loan growth is slow and provisions are higher amid uncertainty, but banks remain...
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Finding Hidden Gems in Emerging Markets | EP 190
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Join Peter Lampert, Portfolio Manager of Mawer's Emerging Markets strategy, as he takes you on a journey from Polish meat counters to UAE boardrooms, revealing how a disciplined bottom-up approach uncovers extraordinary opportunities in overlooked markets. Key Takeaways: • Mawer’s bottom-up philosophy is consistent across markets, but emerging markets require a nuanced focus on the macro and geopolitical environment. • Emerging markets are highly diverse and less efficient, often offering more opportunities for disciplined, active investors. • On-the-ground research—such as recent...
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Navigating Uncertainty: Global Small Caps, Process Innovation, and AI at Mawer | EP189
Art of Boring
In this episode, Karan Phadke, Portfolio Manager for Mawer’s global small cap strategy, shares insights on how small caps are navigating trade policy volatility, the importance of proactive management, and Mawer’s unique approach to process improvement and AI integration in investment research. Key points from this episode: • Small caps’ local focus provides insulation from global trade volatility. Importance of proactive management teams in uncertain environments. • Mawer’s “ant model” drives continuous process improvement and collaboration. • Systematic thesis...
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The Long View: Global Equity Positioning in Uncertain Markets | EP188
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In this episode, global equity co-manager, Manar Hassan-Agha, examines how tariff policies have created uncertainty for businesses, particularly impacting capital deployment decisions and supply chains. Manar explains how a focus on asset-light, service-oriented businesses with recurring revenue provides resilience during volatile periods, with limited direct exposure to tariff-vulnerable exports. Through specific company examples like Admiral Group, UnitedHealth, and a beauty products business, he illustrates how the team evaluates short-term price movements versus long-term intrinsic value,...
info_outlineIn this episode, U.S. Equity Portfolio Manager Grayson Witcher explores the evolving intersection of government policy, innovation, and capital expenditure (CapEx) in U.S. markets. The discussion unpacks how public spending and strategic government stakes—especially in sectors like semiconductors and defense—are reshaping the investment landscape. Grayson reflects on the unique blend of complacency and optimism in today’s markets, the uncertain returns on massive AI-driven CapEx, and the importance of management quality and adaptability in navigating this new era.
Key highlights:
- U.S. markets are experiencing a rare surge in capital spending, driven by AI, reshoring, defense, and infrastructure—marking a departure from decades of just-in-time, low-investment environments.
- The U.S. government’s direct stakes in companies like Intel signal a move toward more strategic, state-influenced capitalism, reminiscent of crisis or wartime interventions but now focused on critical industries.
- Despite significant investment, most companies have yet to realize meaningful returns from generative AI. The market’s optimism may be outpacing actual productivity gains, raising questions about long-term ROI.
- The team seeks diversified exposure to transformative themes (e.g., AI, automation) without betting on single winners, emphasizing companies with adaptable management and clear execution plans.
- Rising CapEx, persistent inflation drivers, and government intervention create both risks and opportunities. The focus remains on businesses resilient to macro shifts and capable of thriving across scenarios.
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Founded in 1974, Mawer Investment Management Ltd. (pronounced "more") is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore.
Host: Rob Campbell, CFA– Institutional Portfolio Manager
Guest: Grayson Witcher, CFA, AB – Portfolio Manager
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