235 B | Embracing Passion and Overcoming Fear with Zana Goic Petricevic
Release Date: 06/21/2024
Art of Consulting Podcast
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. Emphasizes that money itself is not a value, but what it represents to an individual is.
0:34 - 1:03 - Finding Meaning Beyond Money
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Speaker 1 reflects on the importance of understanding why people do their jobs, beyond just earning money. Highlights the idea that meaningful work provides existential safety and keeps the spirit alive.
1:04 - 2:38 - Building Individuals in Organizations
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Speaker 1 shares an anecdote about a virtual assistance firm that focuses on individual development, leading to higher retention rates. Emphasizes the value of building up individuals within an organization.
3:05 - 3:50 - The Role of Passionpreneurs
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Speaker 2 talks about passionpreneurs who follow their passion and transform it into work that provides existential safety. Discusses the balance between organizational constraints and personal passion.
3:50 - 5:17 - Finding Passion Within Systems
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Speaker 2 explains that finding passion is not about blaming the system but finding what makes one feel alive within the system. Encourages boldness and courage in pursuing one's passion.
5:57 - 6:22 - Defining Passion vs. Hobby
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Speaker 2 defines passion as something one must do, whereas a hobby is something one enjoys. Highlights the importance of pursuing passions that make one feel alive and fulfilled.
7:21 - 9:58 - Passion as an Antidote to Fear
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Speaker 2 explains how passion helps overcome fears and uncertainties. Discusses the importance of allowing excitement and fear to coexist to pursue what is truly meaningful.
10:00 - 12:10 - Overcoming Fear in Public Speaking
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Speaker 1 shares personal experiences of public speaking and the discomfort associated with it. Speaker 2 emphasizes the importance of doing what makes one feel alive despite fears.
13:36 - 18:48 - Embracing Discomfort for Bold Visions
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Speaker 2 discusses the necessity of discomfort in pursuing bold visions. Highlights that discomfort is an indication of something truly important and encourages embracing it as part of the journey.
19:05 - 21:19 - Legacy and Intentional Impact
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Speaker 2 talks about the importance of leaving a legacy and creating intentional, meaningful impact. Encourages leaders to be conscious of their influence and the legacy they are building.
21:43 - 23:56 - Redefining Boldness
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Speaker 2 redefines boldness as courage, conviction, and consciousness. Discusses the role of vulnerability and the importance of seeing conflict as a signal of change.
26:03 - 27:07 - Creating Change Through Agency
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Speaker 2 encourages listeners to recognize their power to create change and leave a legacy. Emphasizes the significance of being intentional and accountable for one's impact.
Episode Highlights:
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0:04 - 0:12: Exploring the metaphorical meanings of money.
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0:34 - 1:03: Understanding the deeper reasons for working beyond earning money.
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1:04 - 2:38: The importance of individual development in organizations.
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3:05 - 3:50: Embracing passion in professional work.
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3:50 - 5:17: Finding passion within systems.
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5:57 - 6:22: Defining passion versus hobby.
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7:21 - 9:58: Using passion to overcome fear.
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10:00 - 12:10: Overcoming fear in public speaking.
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13:36 - 18:48: Embracing discomfort for bold visions.
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19:05 - 21:19: Importance of legacy and intentional impact.
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21:43 - 23:56: Redefining boldness and its importance.
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26:03 - 27:07: Creating change through agency and accountability.
Resources Mentioned:
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Zana's Book: Bold Reinvented: Next Level Leading with Courage, Consciousness, and Conviction
Conclusion:
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The episode concludes with a recap of the key points discussed. Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own leadership journeys and embrace the bold, soul-based decisions that drive innovation and collaboration.
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