The Fallout and Lessons Learned from the CrowdStrike Fiasco - Shimon Modi, Jeff Pollard, Allie Mellen, Boaz Barzel - ASW #296
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Release Date: 08/20/2024
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info_outlineThis week, Jeff Pollard and Allie Mellen join us to discuss the fallout and lessons learned from the CrowdStrike fiasco. They explore the reasons behind running in the kernel, the challenges of software quality, and the distinction between a security incident and an IT incident. They also touch on the need to reduce the attack surface and the importance of clear definitions in the cybersecurity industry. The conversation explores the need for a product security revolution and the importance of transparency and trust in security vendors.
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Key topics include the integration of security into the development lifecycle, the impact of emerging technologies, and strategies for fostering a security-first culture. Boaz Barzel shares his experiences and offers practical advice on overcoming common obstacles, ensuring that security measures keep pace with rapid technological advancements. This segment serves as a comprehensive guide for organizations striving to enhance their AppSec practices and continuously optimize their posture.
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