Richard Hundhausen and Brad Frazer: Who Owns the Code? - Episode 366
Release Date: 09/08/2025
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Richard Hundhausen helps software organizations and teams deliver better products by understanding and leveraging Azure DevOps and Scrum. He is a Professional Scrum Trainer and author of Professional Scrum with Azure DevOps (MS Press). As a software developer and consultant with over 30 years of experience, he understands that software is built and delivered by people and not by processes or tools.
Topics of Discussion:
[2:24] Richard and Brad share their enthusiasm for AI, and they discuss the legal implications of using AI-generated code.
[4:00] Brad explains that ownership of AI-generated code is academic until legal issues arise, such as lawsuits or investment rounds.
[5:29] Richard explains the process of using AI tools to create code, emphasizing the iterative nature of the process.
[8:02] The nuances of copyright law, including the need for human authorship to establish ownership.
[10:57] How one gets a registered copyright.
[14:19] The different things that AI-driven development can mean.
[19:44] Risk avoidance practices as a coder.
[23:46] Brad advises software developers to be aware of the legal environment and the potential risks of using AI tools.
[24:59] What is an AI output, and what is just the computer being helpful?
[32:35] Brad shares a real-world example of a $20 million deal where the seller did not own the code, highlighting the potential risks.
[38:38] Brad mentions the Anthropic case, where the company was sued for training its LLM on copyrighted material.
[41:22] Richard and Brad discuss the importance of raising awareness and providing resources to help developers understand the legal implications of using AI tools.
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