#140 Measuring the True Cost of Negative Customer Experiences
The Delighted Customers Podcast with Mark Slatin
Release Date: 06/19/2025
#162 Compassionomics in Action: Measurable Impact for Business Leaders and Healthcare alike
The Delighted Customers Podcast with Mark Slatin
What if just 40 seconds of genuine compassion could tangibly lower a cancer patient’s anxiety—and what if this “wonder drug” holds the key not just for healthcare, but for every leader who wants to create more fulfilling workplaces and customer experiences? The impact of this question is profound. On this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, I sat down with Dr. Stephen Trzeciak (“Dr. T”), whose groundbreaking research proves that compassion isn’t just good for our conscience—it’s scientifically measurable, essential, and transformative for both the receiver and the...
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#161 Navigating the Post-Truth Era: Building Brand Trust with Emotional Inquiry
The Delighted Customers Podcast with Mark Slatin
Is it really possible to build trust with customers in a business landscape overflowing with misinformation and emotional volatility? That burning question is at the heart of my conversation with Michael Forsberg, Director of Client Experience at BrandTrust. In an era many call "post-truth," business leaders face steep challenges in distinguishing what's real from what's noise—especially when it comes to understanding their customers' motivations. Michael’s work focuses on uncovering the human truths and emotions driving decisions across industries from tech to healthcare to financial...
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#160 Rethinking Valuation: Why Customer Metrics Matter More
The Delighted Customers Podcast with Mark Slatin
What if the financial metrics you rely on to measure your company’s success are actually steering you away from long-term customer loyalty and sustainable growth? In our latest episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, live from Harvard Business School, I dive into this burning question with Rob Markey, professor at Harvard and seasoned veteran at Bain. Rob challenges the conventional wisdom around company valuation, urging us to look beyond the income statement and balance sheet, and instead, consider the real engine driving revenue—our customers. The impact of this discussion is...
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#159 The Serial Fixer Trap: Boundaries, Burnout, and Better Leadership
The Delighted Customers Podcast with Mark Slatin
Are you unknowingly sabotaging your own well-being at work—and at home—by trying to fix everyone else's problems? So many of us find purpose and validation in helping, supporting, and “solving” for others. But what happens when that good intention tips into burnout, resentment, and codependent relationships? In this episode, I dig into the hidden costs of being a “serial fixer” with my guest Leah Marone, whose new book offers a powerful wakeup call for leaders, parents, and anyone in a people-focused role. Leah shines a light on why constant fixing and over-helping backfire, both...
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#158 The Art of Communication: Delivering Difficult News with Compassion
The Delighted Customers Podcast with Mark Slatin
Is it possible to deliver life-changing news—with compassion—without sacrificing precious time or the physician’s own well-being? It’s a burning question for healthcare professionals everywhere, and the impact of getting it right goes far beyond the exam room. Not only does compassionate communication ease patient anxiety and foster loyalty, but it also drives better outcomes, even in the face of a system that pressures doctors to prioritize speed and productivity (those infamous RVUs!). As the demands on clinicians mount, many struggle with “compassion fatigue,” and patients...
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#157 The Anxious Generation
The Delighted Customers Podcast with Mark Slatin
What happens to innovation, team dynamics, and trust in organizations when a significant portion of employees are emotionally fragile, risk-averse, and struggle with interpersonal interactions? In this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, I dive into the profound impact of generational shifts on workplace culture, leadership, and customer experience. Drawing insight from the best-selling book, The Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haidt, my guest Charlie Green and I explore how Gen Z—shaped by overprotective parenting, the rise of social media, and the isolating effects of Covid—are...
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#156 Turning Data Into CX Impact: Storytelling That Sticks
The Delighted Customers Podcast with Mark Slatin
What’s stopping CX leaders from turning mountains of customer data into executive-ready stories that prompt real change? In this episode, we dig deep into one of the most urgent—and often overlooked—challenges for customer experience (CX) teams: crafting compelling, actionable narratives from all that customer insight. Data is everywhere, but too often the dots just don’t get connected in a way that the C-suite cares about. The difference between a statistic and a strategic priority? It’s all in the storytelling. In my conversation with Ania Rodriguez, CEO of JourneyTrack, we...
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#155 The Evolving State of Customer Experience: Insights and Future Trends
The Delighted Customers Podcast with Mark Slatin
What happens when a profession built on human insight faces a tidal wave of change—from evolving business demands to the rise of AI? How do CX leaders stay relevant and drive meaningful results in this new landscape? This episode digs deep into the shifting world of customer experience (CX) with Greg Melia, CEO of the Customer Experience Professionals Association (CXPA). I bring Greg back to the show because he sits at the epicenter of the profession’s evolution, witnessing firsthand how CX is growing up—no longer a scrappy teenager, but a vital contributor to business outcomes. The...
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#154 How Political Extremes Shape Customer Loyalty and Brand Evangelism
The Delighted Customers Podcast with Mark Slatin
What drives customers to cling fiercely to a brand, even when it means paying more or overlooking problems others wouldn’t forgive? Is our political identity quietly fueling a new kind of “super loyalty” that’s transforming customer behavior, for better or worse? In this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, I dive into these burning questions with my returning guest, Dr. Forrest Morgeson, associate professor, researcher, and interim chairperson of the Marketing Department at Michigan State University's Eli Broad College of Business. Forrest, drawing on a unique blend of academic...
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#153 Navigating Crisis with Integrity: Strategies for Building Trust in Customer Experience
The Delighted Customers Podcast with Mark Slatin
What happens when your company’s reputation—and your customers’ trust—hangs by a thread? Are you ready for a moment when a crisis isn’t just possible, but inevitable? In this episode, I dive deep into one of the most critical topics for today’s leaders: how strategy, communication, and integrity intersect to protect (and sometimes rebuild) your organization's trust in the face of crisis. When everything is on the line, understanding this intersection isn’t just important—it’s essential. The choices you make, and how you communicate them, can mean the difference between...
info_outlineWhat if negative customer experiences matter more than you think—impacting your bottom line far beyond any single complaint or glowing review?
In the latest episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, we dive into why negative experiences carry outsized influence on customer loyalty and business revenue. Many leaders mistakenly chase the most frequent irritants, but as our guest explains, it’s not about quantity—it’s about which problems have the greatest financial impact. If you're a CX leader struggling to prove the ROI of your work, you’ll want to tune in for innovative strategies that bridge the gap between customer insights and business results.
Why listen to this episode? Paula Courtney, President of the Verde Group, is a global authority on customer retention and quantifying the financial risk of customer experience missteps. With over 30 years of research published in BusinessWeek, Forbes, the Wall Street Journal, and Harvard Business Review, Paula brings a unique, science-backed approach to identifying the most consequential pain points in your customer journey. Her team’s methods have helped organizations around the world—across 35 countries—focus investments where they count and avoid common CX measurement pitfalls.
Here are three engaging questions Paula answers on this episode:
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Why do negative experiences have a disproportionate effect on customer behavior—and what psychological principles drive this phenomenon?
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What critical missteps do organizations make by relying on “applause meter” surveys and chasing the wrong metrics?
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How can leaders accurately quantify the financial risk of negative experiences and build a rock-solid business case for CX investment in the boardroom?
Don’t miss this essential conversation for anyone seeking to transform their customer experience—and get buy-in from the C-suite. Listen to the episode now and subscribe so you never miss insights from top industry leaders.
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Meet Paula Courtney
Paula Courtney is the President of the Verde Group, a global market research consultancy specializing in customer retention and the quantification of customer experience ROI. For over three decades, she has led the development of research methods that help organizations not only identify but truly measure the economic impact of customer experiences—especially the negative ones most likely to drive churn. Paula’s expertise has been featured in prominent outlets such as BusinessWeek, Forbes, the Wall Street Journal, and Harvard Business Review. Her work is rooted in psychology, utilizing principles like negativity bias and loss aversion, and grounded in data science to separate “noise” from actionable insights. An international leader, Paula and her team have supported customer-centric transformation in over 35 countries, providing business leaders with tools to prioritize investments and foster real, financially measurable change.
Learn more about Paula and the Verde Group at https://verdegroup.com
Connect with Paula Courtney on LinkedIn: Paula Courtney LinkedIn
Show Notes & References
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Verde Group: Website and Resources
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Monthly newsletter, research blogs, and case studies: Available on Verde Group’s website
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