EP 89: Unlocking Brain Power: Discovering Photobiomodulation with Chris Garvin
Release Date: 06/30/2025
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info_outlineWhat if healing the brain wasn’t just about rest and rehab—but light?
Most people think of concussion treatment as pacing, physio, maybe some cognitive rehab… but what if we’ve been missing a powerful, science-backed tool this whole time?
Let’s be real: Photobiomodulation sounds like something straight out of a sci-fi film. And if you’re a clinician or someone on a healing journey, you might be wondering—how could a helmet that shines light on your head actually make a difference?
In this episode of the Concussion Nerds Podcast, Natasha is joined by Chris Garvin from Neuronic, a cutting-edge neurotech company that’s changing how we support the brain using light. Together, they break down the science of photobiomodulation in a way that’s actually understandable—and explore how it's being used to help people with persistent concussions, cognitive decline, and more.
BY THE TIME YOU FINISH LISTENING, YOU’LL DISCOVER:
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What photobiomodulation actually is—and how Neuronic’s device is using it to improve brain function
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How red light therapy has evolved beyond skincare to support concussion recovery and neurodegenerative care
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The real-life stories of patients and families seeing life-changing shifts through this technology
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What new research says about boosting BDNF (aka brain fertilizer) without needing intense aerobic exercise
This episode is a must-listen for clinicians who want to stay on the cutting edge of evidence-informed care—and for anyone on a healing journey who's curious about non-invasive tools that can support real recovery. If you’ve never heard of Neuronic or photobiomodulation before, prepare to have your mind (and brain) blown.
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Let the nerding out begin.