Falling 35 Feet Free Soloing, Hiking the CT in 15 Days, and What It Means to Be Navajo in America with Jeremy "Smitty" Phoenix (BPR #363)
Release Date: 06/29/2026
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Backpacker Radio
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Nasty Celebrity Encounters, Triple Crown of Things You Can Live Without But Should Be Free, and Do You Face the Showerhead?
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Falling 35 Feet Free Soloing, Hiking the CT in 15 Days, and What It Means to Be Navajo in America with Jeremy "Smitty" Phoenix (BPR #363)
Backpacker Radio
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by LMNT, we are joined by Jeremy Phoenix aka Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen, aka Javos, a Navajo-born, Amish-country-raised, REI-employed, grave-digging, Princeton-attending thru-hiker who completed the Colorado Trail in 15 days on his first ever backpacking trip and has been making up for lost time ever since. In this one, Smitty walks us through completing the 24-hour challenge three separate times on the PCT, a free solo fall from 35 feet- that he just kind of walked off, getting stalked by a mountain lion,...
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Tiger Facts, End of the Timberline Lodge Breakfast Buffet, and Poop, Pees, and Peen Talk
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Stalked by a Mountain Lion, a 25-Foot Fall in the Sierra, and Canoeing 2,400 Miles Down the Mississippi with Matthew "Masochist" Hengst (BPR #362)
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Lyme Disease Research Update, Raccoon vs. Goose, the Triple Crown of Girly Gear, and 2026 Hiking Gear Trends
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Walking the Portuguese Camino with Her Parents to Honor Her Late Brother with Elise "Sauce" Ott (BPR #361)
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In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by LMNT, we are joined by our pal Elise Ott, aka Sauce, who gives us a play by play of her recent hike on Portuguese Camino coastal route along with her parents. SOS walks us through doing the Camino as a tribute to her late brother Curtis, who passed away in February of 2025 after years of living with schizoaffective disorder. She shares his story with honesty and humor, including the time he stole a county parks truck in a three-piece suit, drove it across state lines, and complimented the cop who tackled him, and...
info_outlineIn today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by LMNT, we are joined by Jeremy Phoenix aka Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen, aka Javos, a Navajo-born, Amish-country-raised, REI-employed, grave-digging, Princeton-attending thru-hiker who completed the Colorado Trail in 15 days on his first ever backpacking trip and has been making up for lost time ever since.
In this one, Smitty walks us through completing the 24-hour challenge three separate times on the PCT, a free solo fall from 35 feet- that he just kind of walked off, getting stalked by a mountain lion, surviving shin splints for almost the full PCT, and a harrowing midnight ice traverse below Mount Whitney with no traction. He also shares what it means to be Navajo in America, including having code talker grandparents and introducing himself to the land before every new section of trail.
We wrap the show with a tribute to longtime Patreon supporter Bill Jensen, who recently passed away on the CDT, the biggest thru-hiking preparation mistake- according to Peg Leg, addressing the question of which direction people predominantly face in the shower, and the triple crown of things you can easily live without but nonetheless should be free for everyone.
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Interview with Jeremy Barney aka Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen
Time stamps & Questions
00:06:30 - Reminders: Sign up for the Trek’s newsletter, subscribe to Trail Correspondents, and listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon!
00:09:18 - Introducing Smitty
00:10:34 - Tell us about the 24 hour challenges you’ve done on the PCT
00:13:00 - How did you get your trail name?
00:16:25 - Tell us about the commercial you did with Alex Hannold
00:22:30 - Tell us about working at REI
00:29:50 - Tell us about growing up Navajo in Pennsylvania
00:35:30 - How did you get started with backpacking?
00:39:00 - Discussion about Smitty’s climbing experience and falls
00:42:50 - What is your bucket list of jobs?
00:50:50 - Discussion about Smitty’s job as a gravedigger
00:54:15 - How did you decide to hike the Colorado Trail?
01:03:00 - Tell us about the backpacks you’ve tried
01:08:35 - Discussion about what Smitty sent home from the PCT
01:15:00 - What other gear compromises did you have to make when switching packs?
01:28:55 - What kind of discounts do you get at REI?
01:34:50 - Tell us about meeting Jabba
01:39:00 - Discussion about footwear and injuries
01:41:30 - What was your scariest day on trail?
01:51:40 - Do you have any advice for aspiring thru-hikers?
01:58:00 - Stay Salty Question: What’s your hottest take in the world of backpacking?
Segments
Trek Propaganda: After 22,000 Miles of Thru-Hiking, This Is One of the Biggest Mistakes I See Beginners Make by Peg Leg
QOTD: Do people face the shower head when they shower?
Triple Crown of things you can easily live without, but nonetheless should be free for everyone
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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