'Finding Nemo' with Brenda Swirczynski, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller
Release Date: 05/28/2025
'Metal Lords' with Peter Sharma and Kevin Stoller
Better Learning Podcast
Sometimes the best lessons don’t come from textbooks or classrooms... they come from the stories we see on screen. In Metal Lords, a coming-of-age Netflix film, two high school outsiders form a heavy metal band in hopes of competing in the “Battle of the Bands.” What starts as a quest to play loud music quickly turns into a journey of self-discovery, belonging, and resilience. So how does a movie about teens rocking out connect to education? At its core, Metal Lords highlights what we talk about so often on the Better Learning Podcast: that schools are not just about content, but about...
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'The Great Debaters' with Jeff Johnson and Kevin Stoller
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Released in 2007 and inspired by true events, The Great Debaters tells the story of Wiley College’s debate team in the 1930s, led by Professor Melvin B. Tolson. At a time when segregation and systemic injustice were defining forces, this small but determined team rose to national prominence, even going head-to-head with Harvard University. More than a story about competition, the film highlights the role education plays in empowerment, resilience, and giving students the courage to use their voice. We dive into the plot and memorable moments, then run through a series of award-style...
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'Miracle' with Bryan Benway and Kevin Stoller
Better Learning Podcast
What does it take to bring out the best in a group of individuals and transform them into something greater than the sum of their parts? In this episode of our school-related movie review series, we dive into Miracle (2004), the powerful retelling of the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team's unbelievable upset over the Soviet Union. It’s a story of vision, discipline, belief, and building a culture of excellence—all themes that deeply resonate in the world of education today. Joining us for this conversation is Bryan Benway, someone who brings a unique and dynamic perspective to the table. Bryan...
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'Rich Hill' with Dr. Julie Williams and Kevin Stoller
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What happens when the challenges students face outside the classroom overshadow everything happening within it? In this episode of our school-focused movie review series, we dive into Rich Hill—the 2014 Sundance Grand Jury Prize-winning documentary that offers an unfiltered look into the lives of three teenage boys growing up in rural Missouri. The film captures the challenges they face in poverty-stricken homes, unstable environments, and a school system struggling to support them. Joining us to break down the themes and realities of Rich Hill is a special guest - Dr. Julie Williams, a...
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'Annie' with Olivia Graf, Matt Rogers, and Carla Cummins
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It’s easy to remember Annie for its catchy tunes and iconic optimism. But what if we told you this classic musical also offers a surprising amount of insight into our education system? In our latest episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we take a fresh look at the 1982 film adaptation of Annie through the eyes of school designers and changemakers. From the harsh institutional feel of Miss Hannigan’s orphanage to Daddy Warbucks’s transformative environment where Annie’s potential flourishes, the movie mirrors a central truth we see in schools every day: the physical and emotional...
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'Accepted' with Emily Wright, Laura Smyles, and Kevin Stoller
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What if a group of students created their own college because no one else would accept them? That’s exactly what happens in the 2006 movie Accepted, where a handful of students—rejected by every school they applied to—decide to take matters into their own hands. They invent a fake university, build a website, rent a building, and unknowingly attract hundreds of other students who also felt pushed out by the traditional system. What starts as a lie quickly transforms into something surprisingly real: a student-led, curiosity-driven learning environment where everyone is accepted for who...
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'Hoosiers' with Dr. Deb Kerr and Kevin Stoller
Better Learning Podcast
If you’ve ever rooted for the underdog, Hoosiers probably lives rent-free in your head. The 1986 classic isn’t just about basketball—it’s about second chances, small-town pride, and what happens when people start believing in themselves and each other. Set in 1950s Indiana, the film follows a high school basketball team no one expects to win… until they do. In this episode, we explore why Hoosiers continues to resonate in classrooms and communities alike. From Coach Norman Dale’s controversial methods to the redemptive arc of Shooter, the town drunk turned assistant coach,...
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'Matilda' with Charlotte Nienhaus, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller
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If you grew up in the '90s, there’s a good chance Matilda made you believe two things: libraries are magical, and adults DEFINITELY don’t always know best... The 1996 movie, adapted from Roald Dahl’s classic book, gave us a hero who wasn’t loud or flashy - but smart, kind, and quietly powerful. Oh, and she had telekinesis. So yeah, iconic. In this episode, we dive into why Matilda still hits all these years later. From the hilariously awful Wormwoods to the nightmare-fuel that is Miss Trunchbull, it’s a story that balances dark humor with real heart. But beyond the fantasy,...
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'High School Musical 2' with Erin Jennings and Carla Cummins
Better Learning Podcast
When High School Musical 2 premiered on Disney Channel in August 2007, it shattered records with over 17 million viewers tuning in on its first night — making it the most-watched cable movie at the time. Trading school hallways for summer jobs at a posh country club, the film dives deeper into the personal growth of its characters, especially Troy Bolton. As he’s tempted by opportunities that could shape his future, he starts to drift from his friends and Gabriella, leading to heartfelt moments like “Gotta Go My Own Way” and the now-iconic (and meme-worthy) “Bet On It.” With a...
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'Wonder' with Brian Proctor, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller
Better Learning Podcast
What if your first day of school wasn’t just nerve-wracking, but something you’d spent your entire life preparing for? That’s the reality for Auggie Pullman, the main character in Wonder (2017), a film that tells the story of a young boy with facial differences entering a mainstream school for the first time. In this episode, host Kevin Stoller, co-host Carla Cummins, and guest speaker Brian Proctor took a deep dive into the film - not just as a touching family drama, but as a case study in education. From peer relationships to teacher support to the role of school...
info_outlineIn this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we dive deep (pun intended) into Finding Nemo - the animated adventure that’s equal parts heartwarming, hilarious, and insightful. As part of our series on school-related films, we explore what this Pixar classic can tell us about the student experience, the importance of trust and independence, and how schools can support every kind of learner on their journey.
Joining host Kevin Stoller is co-host Carla Cummins and special guest Brenda Swirczynski from Pfluger Architects, bringing both educational and design perspectives to the table. Together, they unpack the film’s themes of overprotection, resilience, and growth — and how those same challenges show up in real-world school environments.
From Marlin’s struggle to let go, to Nemo’s need to prove himself, the conversation begins to ask: What can educators, school leaders, and architects learn from this undersea tale? How can schools create environments where students feel safe to explore, fail, and thrive?
Takeaways:
- Marlin’s instinct to shield Nemo from danger mirrors how schools and parents can sometimes overcorrect in the name of safety.
- Just as Nemo’s “lucky fin” made him different — but not less capable — the conversation highlights the importance of designing spaces and systems that accommodate a wide range of learners, abilities, and personalities.
- From Dory’s unorthodox support to the Tank Gang’s teamwork, the film underscores the power of collaboration — a theme echoed in the episode’s discussion around how architects, educators, and designers must work together to build student-centered spaces.
About Brenda Swirczynski