Better Learning Podcast

The Better Learning Podcast combines education and entertainment in a fresh, engaging format where guests share their favorite school-related movies. Host Kevin Stoller leads dynamic conversations, exploring memorable scenes, iconic characters, and timeless lessons through award-style categories like “The John Keating Award” for standout teachers and “Realistic or Ridiculous?” to dissect school life portrayals. With humor, analysis, and reflection, each episode celebrates the fun, flaws, and impact of these films while sparking nostalgia and insights. Whether you’re an educator, student, or movie buff, join us to relive the movies that shaped how we see school life, and share your favorites at betterlearningpodcast.com. The Better Learning Podcast is hosted by Kevin Stoller, CEO of Kay-Twelve and author of Creating Better Learning Environments. The podcast is also associated with other organizations that are focused on improving education including the Education Leaders’ Organization (ELO) and the Second Class Foundation.

'Back to School' with Thea Wayburn, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller 06/04/2025

'Back to School' with Thea Wayburn, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we’re breaking down the 1986 comedy Back to School, where Rodney Dangerfield plays a loud, lovable millionaire who enrolls in college to reconnect with his son and shakes up the entire campus in the process. Joined by guest Thea Wayburn from BRIC Architecture, host Kevin Stoller and co-host Carla Cummins take a deeper look at how the film portrays higher education, student life, and the meaning of "fitting in." Part of our ongoing series dissecting school-related movies, we explore what this over-the-top comedy reveals (intentionally or not) about learning environments, relationships, and how schools support, or fail to support, belonging and growth. Takeaways: Rodney Dangerfield’s character may be unconventional, but his experience highlights the importance of creating inclusive environments where students of all backgrounds feel like they belong - something schools and universities are still working to get right today. While Back to School leans into comedy, it also touches on deeper issues like academic elitism, outdated teaching methods, and the value of real-world experience, sparking a conversation about what learning should look like in modern education. The movie challenges the idea that there’s only one “right” way to succeed in education. We discuss how schools can better support alternative learners and value life experience alongside academic achievement. About Thea Wayburn From finishes to space planning and furniture selection, Thea collaborates with project team members, consultants, district staff, and stakeholders to develop interior design solutions that enhance their school’s design and align with the district’s educational goals. Thea balances design expertise with end user advocacy to facilitate focus group sessions and synthesize feedback, creating spaces that reflect a learning community’s unique identity. Learn More About Thea Wayburn: LinkedIn: Learn More About Pfluger Architects: Website: Facebook: Twitter: Instagram: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: LinkedIn: Instagram: Episode 235 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/36850855

'Finding Nemo' with Brenda Swirczynski, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller 05/28/2025

'Finding Nemo' with Brenda Swirczynski, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we dive deep (pun intended) into Finding Nemo - the animated adventure that’s equal parts heartwarming, hilarious, and insightful. As part of our series on school-related films, we explore what this Pixar classic can tell us about the student experience, the importance of trust and independence, and how schools can support every kind of learner on their journey. Joining host Kevin Stoller is co-host Carla Cummins and special guest Brenda Swirczynski from Pfluger Architects, bringing both educational and design perspectives to the table. Together, they unpack the film’s themes of overprotection, resilience, and growth — and how those same challenges show up in real-world school environments. From Marlin’s struggle to let go, to Nemo’s need to prove himself, the conversation begins to ask: What can educators, school leaders, and architects learn from this undersea tale? How can schools create environments where students feel safe to explore, fail, and thrive? Takeaways: Marlin’s instinct to shield Nemo from danger mirrors how schools and parents can sometimes overcorrect in the name of safety. Just as Nemo’s “lucky fin” made him different — but not less capable — the conversation highlights the importance of designing spaces and systems that accommodate a wide range of learners, abilities, and personalities. From Dory’s unorthodox support to the Tank Gang’s teamwork, the film underscores the power of collaboration — a theme echoed in the episode’s discussion around how architects, educators, and designers must work together to build student-centered spaces. About Brenda Swirczynski Brenda is a lifelong educator with experience in a variety of educational applications. As a classroom teacher, outdoor educator, and university instructor, she has had the privilege to collaborate with varied audiences on multi-disciplinary projects. Brenda possesses expertise in designing curricula, inquiry-based learning, and educational experiences for audiences with diverse backgrounds. Brenda received her Bachelor’s degree in Education and Master’s in Environmental Science from the University of North Texas. She is a graduate of Cohort 9 of the Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) Advanced Academy, earning her Learning Environment Planner (ALEP) accreditation. She continues her design work with individuals who are equally passionate about supporting educators and their students as the Educational Facilities Planner at Pfluger Architects. Finding Nemo is one of her top 10 movies favs of all time! Learn More About Brenda Swirczynski: LinkedIn: Learn More About Pfluger Architects: LinkedIn: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: LinkedIn: Instagram: Episode 234 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/36679775

'Superbad' with Nick Duffy, Ken Hagen, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller 05/21/2025

'Superbad' with Nick Duffy, Ken Hagen, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller In this episode, we’re diving into the wildly popular teen comedy Superbad — one of the most iconic (and ridiculous) high school movies out there. As part of our series on school-related films, we’re looking at what Superbad got right about the student experience, what it totally blew out of proportion, and why it still hits home for so many people. Superbad follows two inseparable best friends, Seth and Evan, as they navigate their final days of high school — chasing parties, popularity, and one last shot at leaving their mark before graduation. Beneath all the chaos and crude humor is a surprisingly real look at teenage friendship, insecurity, and the awkward (and often hilarious) leap into adulthood — a sneak peek at one of the hot takes from our episode! We unpack the awkwardness, social dynamics, and over-the-top moments — and ask what it all says about how pop culture portrays school life. It's part movie breakdown, part education lens, and all about what we can learn (and laugh at) when Hollywood takes on high school. What does it say about student relationships, social dynamics, and the overall high school experience? How do movies like this shape the way we think about education — and how students think about themselves? We’re not taking it too seriously (it is Superbad, after all), but we are looking at what educators and school leaders can learn from how pop culture reflects — and distorts — the real student experience. Takeaways: Superbad, like many teen comedies, exaggerates for laughs, but it also influences how students, parents, and even educators view the high school experience. Behind the chaos and crude humor, Superbad highlights a very real truth: students crave meaningful friendships and validation during a time of major life transitions. While Superbad doesn’t show much of the classroom environment, it reminds us how much of student life happens in between classes — in the social spaces. It's a good reminder that learning environments need to be designed for connection, mobility, and authenticity. Laughing at the awkwardness and absurdity of adolescence helps us connect to students’ experiences. Movies like Superbad give us an opportunity to talk about real issues — like peer pressure, insecurity, and self-discovery — in a more approachable way. About Nick Duffy Nick has spent nearly 20 years in education with over a decade as a school principal, focused on serving and leading students, staff, and systems in the Eastern Iowa area. He has experience facilitating meetings large and small with effective communication to prioritize consensus building, conflict resolution, and problem solving. Nick’s background includes collaborating with leadership teams to set priorities and focus areas that works toward the organizational goals and action plans, along with adjusting resources as needed. He values people-based and culture-impact principles in his decisions, and brings this perspective to the every table to foster a positive environment for all stakeholders. Learn More About Nick Duffy: LinkedIn: About Ken Hagen, AIA, ALEP Learn More About OPN Architects: LinkedIn: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: LinkedIn: Instagram: Episode 233 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/36660410

'Napoleon Dynamite' with Brian Parker, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller 05/14/2025

'Napoleon Dynamite' with Brian Parker, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, host Kevin Stoller is joined by co-host Carla Cummins and guest speaker Brian Parker, AIA, ALEP—Vice President of K-12 at MHTN Architects—for a quirky and insightful conversation centered around the 2004 classic Napoleon Dynamite. As one of only two Accredited Learning Environment Planners in Utah, Brian brings a unique design perspective rooted in empathy, student agency, and unlocking the potential within every learner. Napoleon Dynamite follows the offbeat story of an awkward high schooler navigating friendship, identity, and self-expression in rural Idaho. Through the lens of this oddball comedy, Kevin, Carla, and Brian explore deeper themes of inclusion, overlooked potential, and the importance of designing learning spaces that honor the individuality of each student. They reflect on how schools can be more than institutions—they can be launchpads for confidence, creativity, and quiet greatness, especially for those who don’t always fit the traditional mold. Takeaways: Just like the characters in Napoleon Dynamite, students don’t all fit into a standard mold—and that’s something to celebrate. School environments should support individuality and provide room for students to be unapologetically themselves. When students feel seen, heard, and valued—whether in the classroom or the cafeteria—they’re more likely to engage and thrive. Designing for belonging is just as important as designing for function. Like Napoleon, many students have gifts that aren't always loud or obvious. Educators and designers should look for ways to highlight and support those quiet strengths. A little levity and creativity go a long way in helping students (and educators) feel connected and human. Schools don’t have to be stiff to be successful. About Brian Parker, AIA, ALEP Learn More About Co-Host, Carla Cummins LinkedIn: Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: LinkedIn: Instagram: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Episode 232 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/36570475

'School of Rock' with Mason Pashia, Matt Rogers, and Kevin Stoller 05/07/2025

'School of Rock' with Mason Pashia, Matt Rogers, and Kevin Stoller In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, host Kevin Stoller is joined by co-host Matt Rogers and guest speaker Mason Pashia, Partner (Storytelling) at Getting Smart Collective, for an energetic and thought-provoking conversation centered around the 2003 cult classic School of Rock. Known for his work amplifying the voices of educators and change-makers through storytelling, Mason brings a fresh and imaginative lens to how we think about student engagement, creative expression, and nontraditional learning paths. School of Rock follows the story of Dewey Finn, a struggling musician who finds unexpected purpose—and unleashes unexpected potential—when he poses as a substitute teacher and transforms a class of rule-following prep school kids into a rock band. Together, Matt and Mason explore the film’s deeper themes of passion, authenticity, and belonging in education. They reflect on how schools can create space for students to discover their identities, pursue what excites them, and challenge conventional measures of success—all while staying grounded in a mission to serve and empower every learner. Takeaways: School of Rock highlights how stepping outside traditional curriculum and teaching methods can unlock student potential and engagement in surprising ways. Dewey Finn's enthusiasm for music becomes the bridge that allows students to connect with their interests—and with each other. Educators can harness this same power by leading with passion. The film underscores the importance of allowing students to have a say in their learning journey. When students are given autonomy, they rise to the occasion and take ownership of their growth. Matt and Mason explore how School of Rock challenges rigid definitions of success and encourages schools to recognize diverse forms of excellence—not just academic achievement. About Mason Pashia: Mason Pashia is a Partner (Storytelling) at Getting Smart Collective. Through publications, blogs, podcasts, town halls, newsletters, and more, he helps drive the perspective and focus of GettingSmart.com. He advocates for data and collective imagination and uses this combination to launch campaigns that amplify voices, organizations, and missions. With over a decade in the storytelling sector (including brand strategy, marketing and communications, and the arts), Mason is always striving to inspire as well as inform. Learn More About Mason Pashia: LinkedIn: Learn More About The Getting Smart Podcast: Website: About Matt Rogers: Matt Rogers is a dynamic professional deeply committed to advancing the education industry through innovative strategies and impactful initiatives. As the Communications Manager at Kay-Twelve, he leads transformative efforts in education by revolutionizing physical learning environments and improving education through the use of media. His dedication has earned him recognition as Kay-Twelve’s Core Values Employee of the Year in both 2021 and 2022, and also positioned him as one of the inaugural winners of the NexGen Awards in 2023. Matt joined the Kay-Twelve team in 2019 as an intern while attending Fisher College of Business at The Ohio State University. Matt’s multifaceted approach extends beyond his role at Kay-Twelve; he serves as the lead Producer for the Better Learning Podcast where they facilitate enlightening discussions that break down the silos of physical space, leadership, and culture in education. Learn More About Matt Rogers LinkedIn: Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: LinkedIn: Instagram: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Episode 231 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/36477015

What Are Green Schools and Why They Matter 04/30/2025

What Are Green Schools and Why They Matter What is a Green School? When people hear “Green School,” they often picture solar panels, school gardens, or maybe a greenhouse out back. While those are pieces of the puzzle, the full picture is much more powerful. A Green School integrates sustainability into every aspect of the learning experience: from the design of its physical space to its curriculum, culture, and community impact. It’s a school that not only teaches sustainability but lives it, showing students, educators, and families what a healthier, more equitable future can look like—and empowering them to lead the way. In our latest episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we dive into why Green Schools matter now more than ever. With nearly 100,000 public schools across the U.S., the stakes are high. School facilities don’t just house students—they influence how well they learn, how healthy they are, and how connected their communities feel. We explore the current challenges in school infrastructure, including the startling reality that many buildings still lack basics like proper ventilation or air conditioning. These gaps disproportionately affect underserved communities and create barriers to learning and well-being. A Green School aims to change that. By reducing environmental impact, improving health and performance, and delivering sustainability education, these schools set the standard for how we treat each other and the planet. They become catalysts for change—transforming not just students, but entire communities. Takeaways: Green Schools go beyond solar panels and gardens. They integrate sustainability into curriculum, culture, and community. Millions of students attend outdated schools every day — with nearly 100,000 public schools across the U.S. and over 7.5 billion square feet in need of modernization, the learning environment is failing to keep pace with student needs. School leaders play a critical role in long-term sustainability. Partnering with experts who prioritize healthy, future-ready design ensures that new school buildings serve students and communities for decades to come, not just on day one. Schools can take advantage of available tax credits and funding by prioritizing sustainable building practices. About The Guest Panelists: Jana Silsby, DLR Group LinkedIn: Phoebe Beierle, U.S. Green Building Council: LinkedIn: Sara Ross, UnDauntedK12: LinkedIn: Connect with episode host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: The Energy, Carbon, and Sustainability in K-12 Education Symposium When: June 24th-25th Where: Washington DC Episode 230 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/36373355

'Stand and Deliver' with Don Baus, Victoria Morlan, and Carla Cummins 04/23/2025

'Stand and Deliver' with Don Baus, Victoria Morlan, and Carla Cummins In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, host Carla Cummins is joined by co-host Victoria Morlan as well as architect and education advocate Don Baus for a powerful conversation around the 1988 film Stand and Deliver. With decades of combined experience in designing and supporting student-centered environments, the two explore how the true story of Jaime Escalante continues to challenge and inspire today’s educators, designers, and school leaders. Set in a struggling East L.A. high school, Stand and Deliver follows math teacher Jaime Escalante as he empowers his students to defy expectations and succeed in AP Calculus—despite systemic barriers and cultural doubt. Victoria and Don dig into the film’s themes of belief, rigor, and resilience, connecting them to their own work helping schools design spaces where students feel seen, capable, and empowered to succeed. Don, Charleston Office President for architecture firm Little and a longtime champion of inspiring learning environments, brings a unique design perspective to the discussion. Together, he and Victoria reflect on what it truly means to curate spaces and systems that allow every student to rise—and the ongoing responsibility educators and designers have to ensure equity, access, and inspiration are built into every learning experience. Takeaways: Jaime Escalante's unwavering belief in his students’ potential shows how a single educator's confidence can transform lives and outcomes. When we set the bar high and provide support, students often exceed what others believed possible. Recognizing and valuing diverse backgrounds helps educators design learning experiences that truly resonate. Thoughtful school design - both physical and emotional - can inspire students and help them thrive. About Don Baus: As past president of AIA Charleston, Don is deeply rooted in South Carolina and champions the delivery of Little’s promise to elevate client performance while advancing the firm’s reputation in thought leadership, innovation and breakthrough ideas throughout the state. Don has more than 26 years of industry experience on regional projects including K-12 education, higher education, civic, healthcare and mixed-use. He has successfully led teams through all facets of project development from conceptual design through construction, always with a focus on client success and design excellence. Learn More About Don Baus, AIA, LEED AP: LinkedIn: Learn More About Little Diversified Architectural Consulting: Website: LinkedIn: Instagram: About Victoria Brooks Morlan, CPSI, ECLPS: Victoria Brooks Morlan came to Kay-Twelve with 25 years of experience in the education space. She has worked with schools and architects throughout the Carolinas, Virginia and Georgia, helping to develop innovative learning environments for students of all ages. A teacher by education, Victoria has a unique ability for connecting with her clients while seeking to provide them with a holistic solution to foster innovative, collaborative and pedagogy-driven learning environments. Learn More About Victoria Brooks Morlan, CPSI, ECLPS: LinkedIn: Learn More About Kay-Twelve: Website: LinkedIn: Instagram: Connect with episode host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: Episode 229 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/36280540

'High School Musical' with Candace Seda, Stephanie Seda, and Carla Cummins 04/16/2025

'High School Musical' with Candace Seda, Stephanie Seda, and Carla Cummins In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, Carla Cummins is joined by her daughter Jennifer Cummins and special guests Candace Seda and Stephanie Seda for a fun and thought-provoking dive into Disney’s 2006 cultural phenomenon High School Musical. With a multigenerational panel of educators, designers, and education advocates, the group explores how the film’s catchy tunes, teen drama, and feel-good message intersect with real-life high school experiences. Set at the fictional East High School, High School Musical follows Troy Bolton and Gabriella Montez as they challenge stereotypes, break out of their expected roles, and redefine what it means to belong. The conversation goes beyond choreography to unpack deeper themes of identity, student voice, peer pressure, and the often rigid boxes students are placed in. Carla, Jenny, Candace, and Stephanie reflect on how the film’s message of “breaking free” still resonates with students today. They discuss the importance of cultivating environments where young people feel seen, safe, and empowered to pursue their full potential—whether on the court, in the lab, or on stage. Together, they celebrate the magic of student-centered learning while confronting the real challenges schools face in living that out. Takeaways: Students are more than stereotypes. Just like Troy and Gabriella, students thrive when given the freedom to explore interests outside of their “assigned” labels. Schools should nurture the whole child—not just the athlete, the scholar, or the artist. When students try something outside of the norm, they need allies—peers, teachers, and parents—who encourage them to break free from expectations and find their voice. Culture eats curriculum for breakfast. A strong, inclusive school culture is the foundation for student growth. The environment at East High showed how cliques and unwritten rules can restrict potential. Candace reflected on how High School Musical—with its vibrant sets, energetic common spaces, and distinct zones for different student identities—influences how designers think about school environments today. The film reminds us that the physical space of a school tells a story. When designing schools, it’s not just about functionality; it’s about creating places where students feel inspired, seen, and connected. About Candace Seda, NOMA, AIA, NCARB: Candace Seda is an Atlanta-born architect with almost a decade of professional experience in the K-12, higher education, civic, and medical office sectors. She earned her B.S. Arch and M. Arch from the Georgia Institute of Technology, specializing in graphic design and sustainability. As the daughter of an educator, she channels her passion for education and community to create inspiring learning environments, positively impacting the educational experience for future generations. Candace leverages her graphic design expertise to craft visually compelling and cohesive spaces through experiential graphics. Known for leading conversations on inclusion and equity, Candace aims to make quality design accessible to those historically excluded or overlooked, benefiting both clients and industry professionals. She accomplishes this through her work at Craig Gaulden Davis Architecture, organizations like VANOMA and Diversity Architecture, as well as her design firm Candace Seda Design. About Stephanie Seda: Stephanie Seda, a 26-year-old 5th-grade teacher based in Athens, GA, is deeply committed to empowering Black and Brown students to become confident leaders. With a strong passion for Social Studies education, Stephanie strives to make history come alive for her students, encouraging them to engage with the world around them. Outside the classroom, Stephanie is an avid reader and TV enthusiast, always ready for a thoughtful conversation. When she's not teaching or discussing the latest book or show, you can find her singing or roller skating, embracing her creative side and enjoying life to the fullest. Learn More About Craig Gaulden Davis | PBK Website: Learn More About Candace Seda, NOMA, AIA, NCARB: LinkedIn: Learn More About Jennifer Cummins: LinkedIn: Connect with host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: Episode 228 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/36187290

'Teachers' (1984) with Steve Miletto and Kevin Stoller 04/09/2025

'Teachers' (1984) with Steve Miletto and Kevin Stoller Kevin Stoller is joined by longtime educator and podcast host Steve Miletto to unpack the 1984 film Teachers, a gritty dramedy that offers an unflinching critique of the American public school system. Directed by Arthur Hiller and starring Nick Nolte, Teachers dives headfirst into the dysfunction, bureaucracy, and burnout often hidden behind school walls. Set in a troubled urban high school, the story centers on idealistic teacher Alex Jurel, who’s caught between his desire to make a difference and a system that seems determined to maintain the status quo. With subplots involving a mentally ill teacher who was never removed, a student lawsuit, and apathetic staff, the movie blurs the line between satire and sobering reality. Kevin and Steve discuss how many of the themes from Teachers—such as disengaged leadership, systemic failure, and student disillusionment—still resonate in today’s schools. Their conversation explores what’s changed (and what hasn’t) in the decades since the film’s release, the importance of strong school culture, and how educators can lead with purpose in the face of institutional challenges. It’s a raw and honest discussion about the role of teachers, the need for systemic change, and the heart it takes to truly connect with students. Takeaways: Teachers (1984) offers a satirical yet sobering critique of the American public school system, many of which still resonate today. The character of Alex Jurel represents the struggle of passionate educators trying to make a difference within a broken system. The episode explores how authentic relationships and emotional intelligence are still the most powerful tools educators have. The discussion underscores the mental health toll on both students and teachers in rigid, outdated school environments. Despite the challenges, the film and the conversation both reinforce why committed, caring educators matter more than ever. About Steve Miletto: Steven Miletto, EdD has been an educator in Georgia(US) for 38 years. He has served public school families as a history teacher, assistant principal, high school principal, and RESA (Regional Education Service Agency) Executive Director in the Heart of Georgia RESA (8 years) and now with North Georgia RESA (3years). In 2009, he was the Georgia Principal of the Year and a finalist for NASSP/MetLife National Principal of the Year in 2010. In 2007 he received the Atlanta Braves/AT&T Educator of the Year Award. His focus in education is to help kids achieve their dreams. Learn More About Steve's Podcast, Teaching Learning Leading K12 Website: Learn More About Steve Miletto Website: LinkedIn: Twitter: YouTube: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Episode 227 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/36075175

'Mean Girls' with Steven Shapiro, Nancy Shapiro Rapport, and Kevin Stoller 04/02/2025

'Mean Girls' with Steven Shapiro, Nancy Shapiro Rapport, and Kevin Stoller Mean Girls, directed by Mark Waters and written by Tina Fey, is a cult classic teen comedy based on Rosalind Wiseman’s book Queen Bees and Wannabes. The film humorously yet accurately portrays the harsh realities of high school social dynamics, focusing on cliques, peer pressure, and the impact of popularity on self-identity. The story follows Cady Heron, a homeschooled girl navigating the cutthroat social hierarchy of public high school life after moving from Africa. As she infiltrates "The Plastics," the school’s most popular clique, Cady faces a moral dilemma that tests her values, self-image, and relationships. Though often comedic, the movie sheds light on serious issues like bullying, conformity, and the challenges of adolescence. In this episode, Kevin Stoller, Nancy Shapiro Rapport, and Steven Shapiro discuss the movie through the lens of parenting and education. They explore the challenges faced by kids and parents in today's society, particularly focusing on the mental health crisis and the breakdown of family structures. The conversation delves into character analyses, the impact of school environments, and the importance of emotional health in raising children. Takeaways: Consistent, intentional conversations about values and behavior are essential for raising resilient, emotionally healthy children. Small, deliberate actions can lead to significant, long-term results. A strong family culture, built on open communication and shared values, can help children navigate social pressures and define their identity. Parents need to engage in ongoing discussions about kindness, respect, and self-worth. Technology has fundamentally changed how teens communicate and form relationships. Setting boundaries around device use and fostering in-person connections can help counteract the isolating effects of screen time. Adolescence is a time of self-discovery, and social interactions can be intense and confusing. Understanding the pressures teens face helps parents provide better support. Schools can support parents by reinforcing positive behaviors and values, while communities can provide a support network for parents navigating the challenges of raising children. Comedy can be an effective way to connect with teens, understand their world, and initiate meaningful conversations. Movies like Mean Girls use humor to highlight real issues in adolescence. About Steven Shapiro: Steven Shapiro is a veteran school reimaginer, with over 30 years of K-12 classroom teaching experience, 15 concurrent years as a high school humanities program director, and four years as a district leader of experiential learning. Steven is the host of the acclaimed podcast Experience Matters. He delivers keynote presentations on topics including supporting parents in the digital age, addressing the youth mental health crisis, and designing authentic learning experiences. Steven and his wife Susan are the proud parents of three adult children. About Nancy Shapiro Rapport: Nancy spent the majority of her 34-year public-education career as a school counselor, supporting students and parents in navigating the challenging “middle years.” Her leadership roles in professional development and crisis management showcased her ability to identify needs, empathize with various stakeholders, and deliver results. As a certified Hudson Institute coach, Nancy has extensive training in coaching and human development. She has taught courses on learner mindset and question thinking, helping adults pursue a life of curiosity, inquiry, and possibility. Nancy brings a wealth of experience in both child and adult learning to her role as co-founder of Our Family Culture. Most importantly, she is the proud parent of two adult children, Emily and Jacob. Learn More About Our Family Culture: Website: Connect with Steven Shapiro: LinkedIn: Connect with Nancy Shapiro Rapport: LinkedIn: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Episode 226 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/35979935

'Top Gun' with Stacey Waxtan and Kevin Stoller 03/26/2025

'Top Gun' with Stacey Waxtan and Kevin Stoller Few movies capture the essence of leadership, teamwork, and adaptability quite like Top Gun. While it’s a high-octane film about elite fighter pilots pushing their limits, the lessons it offers extend far beyond the cockpit—straight into the world of education. Just like Maverick and his fellow aviators must embrace continuous learning, mentorship, and resilience, educators and school leaders face the challenge of preparing students for an ever-evolving future. In this review, we’ll break down the powerful parallels between Top Gun and education, exploring what it means to foster a high-performance learning environment where every student can take flight. Takeaways: Just like Top Gun pilots constantly train and refine their skills, educators must embrace ongoing professional development to adapt to new teaching methods, technologies, and student needs. Maverick learns from his instructors and teammates, just as students benefit from strong teacher-student relationships. Great educators inspire, challenge, and support students to reach their full potential. While Top Gun pilots start as fierce competitors, they quickly realize success depends on working together. In education, collaboration among teachers, administrators, and students creates the best learning environments. About Stacey Waxtan: Stacey tells her client’s story with every selection, building a user experience with intention, form, and delight. A New York City native with a touch of Minnesota nice, she leads the HUNT Interiors Team with style and grace, developing concepts with client direction and overarching themes. Stacey orchestrates collaboration across disciplines, champions new technologies, and supports a true team environment that celebrates the best ideas. As inspiration is paramount to design, Stacey has traveled to conferences and art exhibits in Paris, Milan, Tel Aviv, Tokyo, and across the United States. Mentoring high school and college students, Stacey strives to inspire the next generation of designers and architects to lead with a design story, and always from the perspective of the end user. Stacey is passionate about community building and art in public spaces. She's a member of AIA, serves as Board Member on the Community Design Center of Rochester, is a repeat team member [and runway model] in the AIA Rochester Product Runway Fashion Show, and practices ballet whenever possible. FF&E Procurement Revisionism Series Learn More About HUNT EAS: Website: Connect with Stacey Waxtan: LinkedIn: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Episode 225 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/35872665

Revisiting the Origins of Our Movie Review Format and Future Films 03/19/2025

Revisiting the Origins of Our Movie Review Format and Future Films In this special episode, we take a nostalgic look back at the early recordings that sparked our popular movie review format. This episode is a fun compilation of guests sharing their favorite school-related movies and TV shows, along with their thoughts on what’s realistic — and what’s not — about those stories. Our guests represent voices from across the country, including Pennsylvania, Utah, Texas, Missouri, Montana, Arizona, Wisconsin, California, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, North Carolina, Oregon, Kentucky, New York, Connecticut, Minnesota, and Rhode Island. Each guest answered two key questions: What is your favorite school-related TV show or movie? What is unrealistic about that movie or TV show? The answers ranged from heartwarming classics to laugh-out-loud comedies and inspiring dramas. Here’s a breakdown of the most mentioned titles: School of Rock - 6 mentions Abbott Elementary - 4 mentions Remember the Titans - 2 mentions Grease - 2 mentions The Sound of Music - 1 mention Dead Poets Society - 1 mention Home Alone - 1 mention Annie - 1 mention Welcome Back, Kotter - 1 mention Dangerous Minds - 1 mention Summer School - 1 mention Top Gun - 1 mention Stand and Deliver - 1 mention To Sir, With Love - 1 mention Ferris Bueller's Day Off - 1 mention Fast Times at Ridgemont High - 1 mention Most Likely to Succeed - 1 mention Gilmore Girls - 1 mention Glee - 1 mention The Long Game - 1 mention A Christmas Story - 1 mention Billy Madison - 1 mention The OC - 1 mention The Breakfast Club - 1 mention I Love Lucy - 1 mention Friday Night Lights - 1 mention Yesterday - 1 mention Old School - 1 mention Boston Public - 1 mention Freedom Writers - 1 mention Ted Lasso - 1 mention Back to School - 1 mention Whether you're a fan of inspiring educators, unforgettable student antics, or heartwarming school stories, this episode is packed with entertaining insights from guests who know education best. Tune in to hear what your peers are watching and maybe add a few new titles to your must-watch list! Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Episode 224 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/35781825

'The Incredibles' with Mercedes Johnson, Katie Riley, and Kevin Stoller 03/12/2025

'The Incredibles' with Mercedes Johnson, Katie Riley, and Kevin Stoller What Do The Incredibles and Educators Have in Common? In our latest Better Learning Podcast episode, we dive into The Incredibles (2004) and uncover powerful insights for educators. Just like Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl face lawsuits that restrict their powers, teachers often feel held back by red tape and policies that limit their ability to innovate in the classroom. We explore how educators can break free from these constraints, unlocking their creativity, adaptability, and empathy to make a bigger impact. Plus, we break down fun film moments that mirror real-life school experiences. Takeaways: Everyone wants to be special and normal at the same time Teachers aren't the only adults that can have an impact Everyone has their own superpowers Different is okay About Mercedes Johnson: In 1995, Mercedes Ramirez Johnson narrowly survived a commercial airplane crash that killed 160 people, including her parents. She presents her proprietary Second Chance Living concept, an innovative mindset and approach with a proven track record, to organizations such as General Electric, ExxonMobil, Microsoft, NASA, Chevron, and the various branches of the US Armed Forces. Before becoming a speaker, Mercedes spent nearly a decade in high-level sales in the pharmaceutical and medical software industries. A record-breaking, multimillion dollar producer, she became the youngest female and sole Latino account executive at Cerner Corporation. She is an active leader in philanthropic organizations advocating for special needs children and children’s health initiatives, notably for Make-A-Wish and The National MPS Society. Mercedes and her story have been the subject of considerable national and international media coverage. About Katie Riley: Katie Riley’s extensive career reflects a strong dedication to transforming education, particularly for students with diverse learning needs. With 25 years of experience in various educational settings, including public and private schools, and her work in parish schools, she has built a reputation as an educator passionate about making a difference for all students. Her journey began in the challenging but rewarding environments of Chicago Public Schools and Dallas Independent School Districts, where she was determined to improve educational outcomes for students with different learning styles. As her career progressed, her expertise expanded, and she took on leadership roles as an educational consultant and an administrator of high-impact schools in Dallas. Katie continues her deep commitment to innovation in education and a drive to advocate for students who may otherwise be overlooked. She is currently an educational consultant who works with schools and families to help ensure all students find an environment where they can be successful. Connect with Mercedes Ramirez Johnson: Website: LinkedIn: X: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Episode 223 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/35656825

'Battle Royale' with BrandonToksMovies, Ben Treadway, and Kevin Stoller 03/06/2025

'Battle Royale' with BrandonToksMovies, Ben Treadway, and Kevin Stoller What happens when competition goes way too far? In this episode, we dive into Battle Royale—the cult classic that makes The Hunger Games look like a friendly school fundraiser—to uncover any connections to education. Joined by TikTok movie reviewers BrandonToksMovies and Ben Treadway, we break down the film’s themes of competition, authority, and survival—and how they (thankfully, in a less deadly way) mirror the struggles students face in real life. Can we actually learn anything from this extreme scenario to improve schools? How does this dystopian scenario reflect the pressures students face today? Tune in as we try reading between the lines and figure out what Battle Royale can teach us. Takeaways: The teacher on the very first day sets the tone for how the class is going to be run Creating connection creates care Don't pit students against each other, foster connection and growth together As a teenager, hormones run the show Brandon and Ben are the hosts of The Cinemast Podcast, a film podcast where they discuss both new and favorite films from two different perspectives, Ben is the everyman and Brandon is the cinephile. In addition to the podcast, Brandon creates movie-related content on TikTok and Instagram under the username . They both live in Arizona with their families. Check Out The Cinemast Podcast: Website: Connect with BrandonToksMovies: TikTok: Instagram: YouTube: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Episode 222 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/35565515

'Summer School' with Mark Greenberg, Eric Stoller, and Kevin Stoller 02/26/2025

'October Sky' with Michael Duncan, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller 02/19/2025

'October Sky' with Michael Duncan, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller Can one teacher change the course of a student’s life? Can curiosity survive in a system that prioritizes conformity? October Sky is more than just a heartwarming story about a boy and his rockets—it’s a powerful look at the impact of education, ambition, and the struggle between dreams and expectations. But how accurately does it reflect today’s schools? Are students still discouraged from pursuing unconventional paths? Do educators still have the power to ignite change? In this review, we’ll break down what October Sky gets right (and where it misses the mark) when it comes to the modern classroom. Takeaways: Curiosity and inquiry are still not be nurtured in schools Project based learning allows students to be self directed and follow their passions Dreaming doesn't get you where you want to be- action is required Just don't quit! - Advice from Michael Having a network helps when you get stuck About Michael Duncan: An award-winning superintendent and longtime champion of education transformation, Dr. Mike Duncan is the President and CEO of Battelle for Kids. Mike was one of the longest-serving superintendents in the state of Georgia, leading Pike County Schools for 18 years from 2005 until his retirement in 2023. He worked diligently to reimagine educational opportunities and implement enduring transformation for all students in Pike County. He spearheaded the creation of their Portrait of a Graduate and worked to achieve the district’s mission of developing creative problem solvers. Mike was honored as the Georgia Superintendent of the Year in 2021. Under Mike’s leadership, Pike County Schools was actively engaged in EdLeader21, the national network of Battelle for Kids, for more than a decade during his superintendency. Mike is also the co-founder and co-designer of the Georgia Deeper Learning Network for Workforce Readiness and Economic Prosperity. An educator at heart, Mike has served as a high school principal and a middle school teacher and principal. He holds a doctorate in educational leadership and a master’s degree from the University of Georgia, along with a bachelor’s degree from Georgia Southern University. Learn More About Battelle for Kids: Website: Connect with Michael Duncan: LinkedIn: Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Episode 220 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/35351865

'Radio' with Meredith Watassek, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller 02/12/2025

'Radio' with Meredith Watassek, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller Radio is a powerful example of why being different doesn’t mean being wrong—and how society often struggles with that distinction. Based on a true story, the film follows the relationship between high school football coach Harold Jones (played by Ed Harris) and a young man with an intellectual disability, James Robert “Radio” Kennedy (played by Cuba Gooding Jr.). Initially an outcast in the community, Radio is taken under Coach Jones’s wing, gradually becoming a beloved figure at the school. The film ultimately teaches that just because someone doesn’t fit traditional expectations doesn’t mean they’re wrong or less than. True strength lies in compassion, and real leadership is about lifting others up rather than shutting them out. Radio encourages us to rethink our biases and embrace people for who they are, not just for how they compare to societal norms. Takeaways: Education should be student focussed Everyone should have a chance to learn One person can change a community About Meredith Watassek: Meredith Watassek joined Stantec as an Education Planner after more than 24 years in Education. The last nine years of her career as an educator, she served as Director of Career and Technical Education (CTE) for the sixth largest school district in Texas. Meredith has guided dozens of Stantec clients through the engagement process on projects while simultaneously leading planning and specifications development for future academic spaces. Several of her most recent projects include School Master Planning for Alvin Community College, visioning and design of the Career and Technical Education Center for Lamar CISD, and School Master Planning and Specifications for Salteaux First Nations in Saskatchewan, Canada. Before joining Stantec, Meredith oversaw Stantec’s design and execution of the James Reese Career and Technical Education Center for Fort Bend Independent School District in Sugar Land, TX, defining program and project scope for the new facility. With a rich background in CTE, Meredith can communicate with educators in a way that architects cannot; because she’s been in their shoes, at the front of a classroom, managing both success factors and the student experience. She believes that learning environments shape a student's experience, even if just passively. It is inside schools that students develop beliefs about their ability to be successful. For this reason, Meredith maintains that designers, planners, architects, and contractors have a responsibility to provide the most nurturing environment possible for students. Connect with Meredith Watassek: LinkedIn: Twitter: Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Episode 219 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/35261000

'Ted Lasso' with Heidie Ciesielski, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller 02/05/2025

'Ted Lasso' with Heidie Ciesielski, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller The hit series Ted Lasso isn’t just about soccer—it’s about leadership, culture, and the power of belief. On a special episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we sat down with Superintendent Heidie Ciesielski to break down the show’s biggest lessons and how they apply to education today. From Ted’s optimism to his ability to build a strong, student-centered culture, we explored how school leaders can create environments where students and educators thrive. The series highlights the importance of trust, resilience, and the impact of mentorship—qualities that define great school leadership. Whether you’re an educator, administrator, or just a fan of the show, this episode offers a fresh perspective on how the Ted Lasso mindset can shape the future of learning. Takeaways: There's leaders in all of us Parents have a huge impact on their kids- so impact them for good Be curious, not judgmental There are many different ways to be a good leader It's never too late to be a good person About Heidie Ciesielski: Superintendent of Fenton Area Public Schools - 26 years in education - previous middle school MASSP principal of the year - previous Executive Director of Teaching and Learning with FAPS. Passionate about organizational leadership, and valuing those that work in the district you lead. Connect with Heidie Ciesielski: Fenton Area Public Schools Website: LinkedIn: Twitter: Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Episode 218 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/35165570

'Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone' with Trevor Muir, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller 01/29/2025

'Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone' with Trevor Muir, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller Trevor Muir, an inspiring keynote speaker who celebrated the power of storytelling in education and an avid Harry Potter fan, sits down with host Kevin Stoller and co-host Carla Cummins to dive into the real-world connections between education and the beloved book series. They explore the different teaching styles depicted in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone, the importance of building strong relationships with students, and how elements of the wizarding world can inform and inspire today’s learning environments. At last year’s LearningSCAPES conference, we had the pleasure of connecting with Trevor Muir, an inspiring keynote speaker who celebrated the power of storytelling in education. His keynote emphasized how authentic engagement empowers students, even through challenging times, by integrating real-world projects. From screening interviews with WWII veterans to creating helpful guides for recent immigrants, his approach demonstrated the impact of learning beyond the classroom. Now, we just need to provide agile spaces to support this type of transformative learning. Tune in to this magical conversation as we explore how the world of Harry Potter can inspire real-world educational practices. Takeaways: Everyone has their own superpowers It's important to be intentional when sorting students Caring for your students is one of the most impactful things you can do About Trevor Muir: Trevor is a teacher, author, creator, and co-founder of the New Teacher Academy. His books The Epic Classroom, The Collaborative Classroom, and New Teacher Mindset have helped teachers worldwide to create purposeful and dynamic learning experiences. Trevor has taught in middle, high school, and college classrooms, as well as pre-service teachers at Grand Valley State University. He was a national faculty member for the Buck Institute for Education and his work has been featured in the Huffington Post, Edutopia, EdWeek, and WeAreTeachers. Trevor's inspiring and informative videos have been viewed over 30 million times. At the heart of Trevor’s work is the conviction that every student has the potential for greatness, and that every teacher can be equipped to unlock that potential. Connect with Trevor Muir: Website: Instagram: Twitter: Facebook: YouTube: Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Episode 217 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/35066020

'The Breakfast Club' with Dr. Michael Cardona, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller 01/22/2025

'The Breakfast Club' with Dr. Michael Cardona, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller In this episode, Kevin Stoller and Carla Cummins as co-host, welcome Dr. Michael Cardona, superintendent at San Marcos School District in Texas. Today's movie is 'The Breakfast Club,' a classic movie from the 80s that dives into the cliques in high school. As always, they give out various awards, including a new category, "Where Are They Now?", which discusses where the characters would be in their lives. They also share personal anecdotes from their own educational experiences and discuss current challenges and innovations in their respective educational roles. Takeaways: Parents have an impact on the classroom and student experiences You never truly know who someone is until you dive deeper Everyone makes mistakes, but everyone can learn from them About Dr. Michael Cardona: The San Marcos CISD School Board named Dr. Cardona as Superintendent of Schools in 2016. During his time in San Marcos CISD, Dr. Cardona has implemented a dual language program, expanded AVID districtwide, implemented GEAR Up grants affecting five cohorts of students, and created an Early College model within San Marcos High School. This past year SMHS graduated 39 students who earned their Associate’s Degree before high school graduation. During the 2024-2025 school year, San Marcos CISD and Texas State University signed a historic MOU that will place juniors and seniors who meet eligibility onto the university campus for concurrent enrollment with all expenses covered by the university and school district. Dr. Cardona and team have extended the Career and Technical Education program to offer 21 career pathways of studies and added a state-of-the-art STEAM Center on the San Marcos HS campus as part of the 2017 Bond. Dr. Cardona is known as a leader who believes in whole child development. San Marcos provides whole family supports through SEL counselors on all secondary campuses along with Community Schools on every campus. While leading SMCISD, Dr. Cardona also earned his PhD in Education at Texas A&M University College Station. Both Dr. Cardona and his wife, Laura, have taken in all of San Marcos over the last 8 years and Laura is a key member of the San Marcos Mermaid Society. Dr. Cardona’s oldest son, Mac, attends Texas State University while his youngest son attends Parents have an impact on the classroom and student experiences Colorado School of the Mines. Dr. Cardona and Laura’s daughter attends Texas State University. In their spare time, Dr. Cardona loves traveling and playing with his five Corgis. Connect with Dr. Michael Cardona: LinkedIn: X: Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins: LinkedIn: Connect with host, Kevin Stoller: LinkedIn: Connect with San Marcos Consolidated ISD Website: Episode 216 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/34963495

The Hidden Challenges of Building New School Facilities 01/15/2025

The Hidden Challenges of Building New School Facilities In this episode, Kevin Stoller chats with Dr. Aspasia Angelou, a superintendent in Arizona. She highlights her role as a superintendent and the various initiatives she is leading in her school district. Dr. Angelou shares her background, growing up with Greek immigrant parents, and discusses how her early experiences shaped her drive to pursue education. She talks about her journey navigating educational challenges with limited family support. She also elaborates on the unique challenges of leading a unified school district without a high school and the legislative and logistical hurdles she faced in Arizona. She explains how she tackled these issues, including passing bonds for school funding and creating new high school facilities. Dr. Angelou discusses her approach to integrating innovative programs in her district, such as coding for young students, diverse extracurriculars like archery and agriculture, and designing a new high school from scratch with community input. Takeaways: There is always a way if you are determined enough. It's important to find a balance between honoring tradition and looking for innovation. It is critical for kids to understand technology, but it is also important that they have social experiences and play-based learning early. About Dr. Angelou: Dr. Aspasia Angelou is the daughter of immigrant parents and a native of Seattle, Washington, where she graduated from the University of Washington. She moved to Texas as an educator and teacher trainer in advanced placement, and then to Oklahoma as a school administrator for 8 years. Dr. Angelou served the students, teachers, and community of Tulsa Public Schools as director of high school design in 2019, leading 4 schools through a redesign project. She is passionate about creating equitable learning environments, opportunities, and outcomes for all students. Her entire career has been committed to serving in Title I urban schools. She was named Oklahoma High School Principal of the Year in 2017 for the academic gains made by her students during her tenure in Oklahoma City. Despite challenges, they made great gains are recognized as a Model Professional Learning Community School by Solution Tree. Connect with Dr. Angelou: LinkedIn: X: Nadaburg USD #81: Website: Episode 215 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/34867380

'Freedom Writers' with Dr. Parul Minhas, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller 01/09/2025

'Freedom Writers' with Dr. Parul Minhas, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller In this episode, Kevin is joined by Dr. Parul Minhas. They discuss the movie "Freedom Writers", and dive into many facets of the movie, and discuss some award categories such as "Modern Remake" and "Class Clown". They discuss the significance of teacher-student connection, classroom environment, and transformative educational practices. Drawing parallels from Dr. Minhas' experiences, they highlight the importance of empathy, breaking down racial barriers, and innovative teaching approaches that resonate with every child's unique background. About Dr. Parul Minhas: Parul Minhas, Ph.D. Director of Research and Digital Innovation, Education Design International (EDI) Dr. Parul Minhas is a leading expert in educational design, co-authoring influential books like A New Language of School Design and Building Minds: Designing Learning Spaces for Connection and Coherence. As the Director of Research and Digital Innovation at Education Design International, she is passionate about creating nurturing learning environments that support children's well-being. Her work in salutogenic design, neuroarchitecture, and biophilic spaces has significantly shaped the industry. With years of experience as an educator and researcher, Dr. Minhas is a sought-after speaker, sharing her insights on the global stage. Connect: Email: LinkedIn: Episode 214 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com. For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? Request on our website_ /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/34782340

How 2024 Redefined Better Learning with Carla Cummins 01/01/2025

School Leadership Strategies for Uniting Communities 12/26/2024

School Leadership Strategies for Uniting Communities In today's polarized society, the role of education leaders has never been more critical. As the landscape of communities becomes increasingly divided, the challenge of fostering unity within schools and districts grows more complex. Education leaders are not just administrators; they are role models, guiding students, staff, and families toward a shared vision of collaboration and respect. Schools are microcosms of society, reflecting the diversity and challenges of the larger world. Education leaders play a pivotal role in creating environments where students feel valued, staff feel supported, and communities feel heard. This responsibility goes beyond managing resources or enforcing policies—it’s about inspiring trust, building bridges, and fostering a culture of inclusion. Leading in a polarized society is no small task, but the rewards are profound. By prioritizing unity and modeling inclusive leadership, education leaders can create a ripple effect that extends far beyond the walls of their schools. Together, we can transform division into understanding and build communities where every individual feels empowered to contribute. Are you ready to take the next step in fostering unity within your educational community? Takeaways: Promoting Active Listening: Encourage open dialogue where all voices are heard, ensuring that diverse perspectives are respected and valued. Leading by Example: Demonstrate behaviors that reflect empathy, respect, and a commitment to unity, setting a tone for others to follow. Building Collaborative Relationships: Strengthen partnerships with families, community members, and local organizations to foster a sense of shared responsibility and purpose. Focusing on Shared Goals: Highlight common aspirations, such as student success and well-being, to bring stakeholders together despite differing viewpoints. About Erin Kane: Prior to serving as Superintendent, guest speaker Erin Kane was serving as the Executive Director of Schools for American Academy, a charter public school in the Douglas County School District that serves almost 3,000 students across three campuses in preschool through eighth grade. Ms. Kane led the effort to found American Academy back in 2004. Under her leadership, American Academy expanded to include additional campuses and a preschool program. In 2016, she led the Douglas County School District as the Interim Superintendent. Ms. Kane returned to the leadership role at American Academy in the fall of 2018. Under her leadership, the district’s academic scores increased, employee morale improved, turnover decreased and the annual spending deficit was eliminated. Prior to joining American Academy, Ms. Kane spent nearly a decade in the high technology industry in project development, project management, education, consulting and practice management. She holds a Master’s degree in Public Administration, along with an engineering degree in Applied Mathematics and Computer Science, from the University of Colorado. Ms. Kane is a Colorado native who has resided in Douglas County with her family for more than two decades. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Find out more about Kevin at . Episode 212 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/34622805

'Friday Night Lights' with Dr. Scott Muri 12/18/2024

'Friday Night Lights' with Dr. Scott Muri What makes Friday Night Lights more than just a football movie? In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, we explore how this iconic film captures the heart and soul of high school football in West Texas, delving into the emotional struggles, community pressures, and personal triumphs of the Permian Panthers. They discuss the reality of the high school sports culture portrayed in the movie and how it compares to today's context in Odessa, Texas. They discuss various categories for the movie, such as "Modern Remake", "Realistic and Unrealistic", and "The John Keating Character". From lessons in resilience and teamwork to the cultural impact of the game, we uncover why this story continues to inspire and resonate far beyond the field. Whether you’re a sports fan, an educator, or simply love a powerful narrative, this episode is one you won’t want to miss! Takeaways: The essence of a quality coach or teacher is the ability to motivate and encourage your students or athletes Having a common passion as a community is unifying It's up to adults to help create engaging opportunities for students About Dr. Scott Muri: Dr. Muri joined the Ector County ISD family as Superintendent of Schools on July 1, 2019. Prior to that, he spent four years as the Superintendent of Schools for Spring Branch Independent School District in Houston, TX. During that time achievement gaps narrowed in all academic areas while overall student achievement rose. He fostered innovation in the system by incorporating the redesign process to transform the student learning experience. Prior to taking over at Spring Branch ISD, Dr. Muri served as the Deputy Superintendent of Academics in Fulton County Schools in Atlanta, Georgia, a large school district with 96,000 students and 100 campuses. Before joining FCS in Atlanta, Dr. Muri spent five years with Charlotte‐Mecklenburg Schools in Charlotte, North Carolina. His roles included Area Superintendent, Zone Superintendent, and Chief Information Officer overseeing research and evaluation, along with technology infrastructure and instructional technology innovation. Dr. Muri’s educational experiences include serving as one of the first National Board Certified Teachers in the United States, high school principal, and administrator at Disney’s Celebration School in Celebration, FL. Throughout his career, Dr. Muri has demonstrated a passion and ability for leading change, driving organizational effectiveness, and significantly improving student achievement while closing achievement gaps. With a focus on collaboration and excellence, Dr. Muri creates a positive and effective teaching and learning environment. Education & Certifications: Educational Doctorate, Educational Leadership, Wingate University, Matthews, North Caro lina2011 Master’s Degree, Public School Administration, Stetson University, Deland, Florida, 2001 National Board Certified Teacher, Early Adolescence/Generalist, The National Board for Professional Teaching Standards, 1994 Master’s Level Work in Public School Administration, Appalachian State University, Boone, NC Bachelor of Arts in Intermediate Education and Middle School Education, Wake Forest University, Winston‐Salem, NC, 1988 Episode 211 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/34503735

What Hollywood Gets Right (and Wrong) About Schools 12/12/2024

What Hollywood Gets Right (and Wrong) About Schools What is your favorite school related tv show or movie? In this episode, we feature our annual compilation of interviews conducted at the EDSpaces conference in Houston. This year, with a twist of breaking down the best tv show and movies related to education! Our guests were asked two key questions: What is your favorite school related tv show or movie? What is unrealistic about that movie or tv show? The guest list includes 3 people from Pennsylvania, 2 from Utah, 5 from Texas, 5 from Missouri, 2 from Montana, 3 from Arizona, 2 from Wisconsin, 3 from California, 2 from Florida, 1 from the states of Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, North Carolina, Oregon, Kentucky, New York, Connecticut, Minnesota and Rhode Island. Here are the tallies for each of the movies mentioned: School of Rock - 6 Abbott Elementary - 4 Remember the Titans - 2 Grease - 2 The Sound of Music - 1 Dead Poets Society - 1 Home Alone - 1 Annie - 1 Welcome Back, Kotter - 1 Dangerous Minds - 1 Summer School - 1 Top Gun - 1 Stand and Deliver - 1 To Sir, With Love - 1 Ferris Bueller's Day Off - 1 Fast Times at Ridgemont High - 1 Most Likely to Suceed - 1 Gilmore Girls - 1 Glee - 1 The Long Game - 1 A Christmas Story - 1 Billy Madison - 1 The OC - 1 The Breakfast Club - 1 I Love Lucy - 1 Friday Lights - 1 Yesterday - 1 Old School - 1 Boston Public - 1 Freedom Writers - 1 Ted Lasso - 1 Back to School - 1 Learn more about creating better learning environments at . Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Find out more about Kevin at . For more episodes of the Better Learning Podcast, visit https://www.betterlearningpodcast.com/ Episode 210 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/34421620

'Dead Poets Society' with Dr. Michael McDowell & Aaron Eisberg 12/04/2024

'Dead Poets Society' with Dr. Michael McDowell & Aaron Eisberg In this episode, host Kevin Stoller alongside guests Dr. Michael McDowell and Aaron Eisberg, discuss the movie 'Dead Poets Society'. They explore its themes of conformity, success, and educational transformation while drawing parallels to modern-day educational challenges and experiences. They also give various awards to the movie, such as Most Realistic and Unrealistic aspects and who could replace Robin Williams in a modern remake. They also discuss the changes that could occur if it was remade today. The episode wraps up with insights into Michael and Aaron's innovative visual book project aimed at transforming educational practices. Takeaways: Being passionate about your work changes education for kids Being unorthodox can have a positive impact You can be successful and be yourself About Dr. Michael McDowell: Michael McDowell, EdD was a public school educator for eighteen years serving in the roles of classroom teacher, academic and athletic coach, school principal, assistant superintendent of personnel and instruction, and superintendent. During his tenure as a superintendent, his school district received state and national accolades including the National Blue Ribbon Award which recognized their work for student performance and mental health and well-being in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic by the U.S. Department of Education. Dr. McDowell serves on educational boards, served as a college professor, and has worked for non-profit organizations to enhance student learning around the world. Over the course of his career, Dr. McDowell has authored bestselling books, created professional learning programs and workbooks, provided keynotes and workshops, and provided practical tools and resources for thousands of teachers and leaders on almost every continent around the world. A prolific author and consultant, Dr. McDowell is recognized as one of the leading authorities on integrating innovative and impactful practices into schools. Dr. McDowell co-founded Hinge Education and offers keynotes and executive coaching to heads of school around the world, where he partners with educational leaders to implement high leverage strategies that will enhance teaching and learning in classrooms, schools, and systems. Socials: X: LinkedIn: About Aaron Eisberg: Aaron Eisberg is an international facilitator and an expert in project-based learning, instructional design, and professional development for K-12 educators. With a career that began as a teacher in K-5 classrooms, he has since advised schools and systems on creating rigorous instruction and empowering student voice. As the Director for the Center for Excellence at Napa New Tech High School, Aaron leads professional learning and fosters a student-centered culture focused on academic and 21st-century outcomes. He has a passion for project-based learning and partners with educators globally. Aaron holds degrees in Natural Science and Elementary Education and is a long-standing member of the PBLWorks National Faculty as well as consultant with The Core Collaborative. He is now sharing his experiences and insights as an author. Socials: X: LinkedIn: Instagram: Episode 209 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/ Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/ Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/ EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/ Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/ Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/34238805

The Challenges and Rewards of Educational Leadership 11/27/2024

The Challenges and Rewards of Educational Leadership In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, host Kevin Stoller speaks with Dr. David Dumon, the superintendent of Altar Valley School District in Tucson, Arizona. Dr. Dumon shares his background, from his early school experiences and decision to go into education to his current role as a superintendent. They discuss the challenges and rewards of educational leadership, the importance of striving for academic excellence while maintaining a supportive environment for students and staff, and the innovative approaches Dr. Dumon has taken to address teacher shortages and community engagement. They also covers Dr. Dumon's career progression, the significance of morning routines, and the impact of external pressures such as school labeling on education. Takeaways: The importance of being visible Providing teachers with the skills need to succeed Not everyone ends up in education the same way Community involvement strengthens the school culture There’s more to a school than the labels Dr. David Dumon serves as the superintendent of Altar Valley School District. He began his career in 1995 as a social studies teacher at Alhambra School District in Phoenix. In 2000, Dr. Dumon started his administrative career at Surprise Elementary, a K – 8 school, in Dysart Unified School District. He spent the next 14 years in Dysart, most of which was as the principal at Surprise Elementary. His school’s achievements were recognized in 2012 when he was selected for the Arizona School Administrator, Distinguished Administrator Award – Elementary Division and honored as a finalist for the Rodel Exemplary Principal Award. As superintendent of Altar Valley, Dr. Dumon has focused on ensuring schools run efficiently and allocating resources appropriately, while always considering what is best for kids. Dr. Dumon is committed to maintaining small class sizes and offering free, full-day pre school and kindergarten. In 2022, Dr. Dumon was awarded the All Arizona Superintendent Award for Small Districts and completed his certification for American Association for School Administrators (AASA) National Superintendent Certification. Dr. Dumon is a three-time graduate of Arizona State University where he received his bachelor, master, and doctoral degrees. He lives in Tucson with his wife, daughter, and two dogs. Follow David Dumon on Social Media: LinkedIn: X: Soundbites: “What’s one small thing someone can do to change their school?” Episode 208 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/34168640

Furniture Should Guide Design, Not Follow It 11/20/2024

Furniture Should Guide Design, Not Follow It Is your furniture shaping the way students learn? In this episode of the Better Learning Podcast, host Kevin Stoller welcomes Amanda Hastings, NCIDQ, ALEP, IIDA, Senior Interior Designer at SLAM Collaborative. Together, they dive into the critical role of furniture in shaping educational environments and its impact on students, teachers, and communities. Amanda’s passion for creating dynamic, student-centered learning spaces shines as she shares her approach to furniture design in schools. With nearly two decades of experience and a client-centered philosophy, she emphasizes that furniture should do more than complement design—it should guide it. Takeaways: Furniture should guide the design, not just follow it. Engaging teachers early in the design process is crucial. Quality furniture impacts student learning and engagement. Educating decision-makers on furniture value is essential. Community involvement can drive educational improvements. Building a positive school culture is as important as the physical space. Collaboration among designers, educators, and communities is key. Amanda’s approach to interior design is both thoughtful and deeply client-centered. With almost two decades of experience in designing inclusive environments, she brings a wealth of expertise to her work, particularly in the public-education sector. Amanda’s design philosophy is rooted in connection—she prioritizes building relationships with clients to understand their unique needs and visions and values understanding the "why" behind every design decision. Her designs are conceptually grounded, blending creativity with the personality of the client to create engaging, dynamic spaces where everyone will thrive. Her recent completion of the ALEP program in 2023 was driven by her passion for designing educational environments, and equipped her with expert knowledge and an enhanced desire to not only create student-centered spaces that enrich their learning experience but also to bring this knowledge to the clients and communities she works with. Sound Bites: "Furniture should guide the design, not just follow it." "We need a cultural shift in education." "Seeing furniture in person makes a huge difference." "The furniture world can be confusing." "The transformation of schools is the best part." Follow Amanda Hastings on Social Media: LinkedIn: Learn More About The SLAM Collaborative Website: Instagram: LinkedIn: Facebook: X: Episode 207 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? Transcript Kevin Stoller (00:06.754) Welcome to the Better Learning Podcast. My name is Kevin Stoller, host of the show, and we're always looking at how we can improve education from a variety of different aspects. We've been really digging into the furniture aspect and how much it impacts the space over some recent episodes, and I've been having a lot of conversations. So that's why my guest today, Amanda Hastings. Amanda, how are you doing? Amanda Hastings Very good. Thank you for having me. Kevin Stoller Yeah. And so why don't you give a little bit of just like your intro and the firm you're with and what your role is. And then we're just going to go back because we were having conversation and that's really I want to get back to really just the conversational part of it. Amanda Hastings I am a senior interior designer at the SLAMM Collaborative based in Connecticut. We have firms all over the country, but mostly the public ed work that we do K-12 schools is in Connecticut and out of our Rhode Island office, Connecticut office. Mostly just Connecticut and Rhode Island are where we focus. I've been working on public ed for most of my career. So probably like the 18 years or so. And again, mostly Connecticut. And yeah, it's become one of those things where I just kind of fell into doing schools because the firm I worked for before did it. And then it just has become a passion of mine where now I solely do K-12 public school work. And it is something that I'm definitely passionate about, like the learning environments and the furniture aspects of that. Last year I completed the ALEP program, which was tremendously insightful. And it kind of blew my mind that like, how do you get to this point in your career where you're working on school so far? And there was so much information there to learn. I kind of makes you feel bad of like, my God, I wish I had known this like 15 years ago and was working, you know, towards these things at that point and understanding the reasons why behind everything that we're doing. So at this point, I really feel like it's important to, for me to share that knowledge with either other designers in my firm or, you know, definitely with the clients, but like would love to like find a way to kind of bring more of the information out to the general public. Cause you just, I just feel like, not everybody understands what we do, why we do it, and how the classroom is impacted by design. Kevin Stoller (02:21.068) I love it. Yeah, perfect. And we have talked because I've been trying to, I wanted to interview a lot of people, not on the podcast. I've been interviewing, I think I'm at somewhere in the mid-upper 30s or 40s people just being like, from your perspective, what's the best practices of the projects that you're doing? What's the best way to make sure that the furniture is incorporated so that that the intent of the space and the culture and the teaching and the pedagogy, everything aligns. So when they go into that space, that it really makes the impact that we're seeking. And you were the ones that we were getting pretty deep in the weeds. So I'm like, you know, we need to really get the details in on an episode like this. So I was just starting to tell you before we recorded this, one of the things that I've gotten from it is that We did a three part series that's going to be coming out by the time this one goes, it will be there. So people can go back and listen to it. I'm really looking at the why it matters and then more of like the how and some of the best practices. But what I've been landing on, it does feel like the best, the best case scenario is typically when it is a team collaborative approach and that furniture is really looked at very early in the process. And it sounds like your view on that is very similar on that. What I mean, from your point of view, like what what's the best case for you? Like if you were going to guide a district through this, how would you guide them through the process? Amanda Hastings I think so. First, I'm going to say when I first started working on schools, a lot of times like the interior designers wouldn't even be involved until like, you know, like all the spaces are laid out, you're coming in halfway through the design. And that to me, I'm like, how, how is that helping that, you know, like, like the furniture is not something that should just follow the design. It should be helping to guide it. like, you know, whether you're setting up a classroom or an office or a media center, catering those, that design to what that space is, is so important. So like, I think that has definitely evolved with the work that I've been doing. And, you know, this was a long time ago. like being an advocate for getting into your designers and the people that are doing the programming and planning involved very early on and making sure that they are part of that space planning. And before, maybe even before you're talking with the client, just using your best practices to kind of figure out how do these spaces work so that when you do have those initial conversations with the client, you've already brought the design to a certain point where you know how it functions, know how, know, the, you know, essence of like a media center. So you can talk them through what you're showing to have that conversation. But I feel like sometimes, you know, if the design doesn't have the ability to bring that conversation to life, that's where you're, you're struggling at first. So making sure that you truly are embedded in the design from the beginning to be able to have those conversations. how early? Me, I'm usually when the project starts, when we go to the interview is when we kind of start having that conversation. And then, you know, when it's SD, the beginning of very schematic designs of just working for me, working with our programmers. They do a lot of space planning and just even making sure they understand what the size of a classroom needs to be, what you know, what you need in there to have those dynamic layouts that if. desks are all just facing forward in a room. Like you might not need as much space as you do if you're moving them around and having flexible furniture. really making sure that everyone who's working on the project understands the why you need certain square footage or why you need visibility to the media center or visibility to other places to kind of activate those things. I think so very early on, as soon as we start the project, we're having these conversations. Kevin Stoller Yeah. So as I've been talking to people and just coming off LearningSCAPES and, you know, and when a recording this, we're heading into EDspaces. Like it's all like I feel like this is a topic that just keeps coming up and went probably because I'm bringing it up. But but also because I feel like it is like we're at that moment in like the industry. Yeah, we're getting this momentum like where if you would have said 10 years ago, like these newer products were coming out and like we were recognizing that they make an impact and we were putting it in, but then the teachers weren't kind of coming along. And now I feel like we're addressing that that was recognized and now we're doing a better job as an industry of getting the teacher voices and bringing them along on professional development. So now I feel like the last step to like really get this is, is how do we kind of get the team approach to go in earlier? To do this and it really comes around like just like the earliest conversation of like let's be talking about furniture very early. us it definitely helps when you have a school district or you have a city that's already you know up on that information and they're pushing for it so you know it's much easier obviously when you don't have to educate everybody that's on the project for like, is this so great? When they come to you with that, that makes it so much easier. So we've definitely seen more push. Like for example, a Rhode Island project that we just did, I just had to write an entire letter to be submitted with my furniture package to explain to them the entire process along the way and how we engage staff and what we did to make sure that they were educated. And that's a new thing. Like we've never had to do that with any of our furniture packages before. So now it's being brought from that state review to say, hey, this is important and we want to make sure that you're doing it. So show us how you did that. So that to me is exciting because, you know, it doesn't feel like you're out here just like pushing forward and on your own that really it's coming from, you know, the important people that are funding these projects. So. Yeah, I always use this like that bell curve that if you look at like an industry, like a product life cycle, like I felt like, you know, like we were like kind of those trendsetters and then the early adopters and now we're we're at the point where if we're not at the early majority we may even be further along where I think this is like the majority is recognizing what's going on which is exciting. So this is where I'm at and I'd love to get your take on this. I feel like there have been two camps of when it actually comes down to more of like the mechanics of how how furniture is approached on a project. There's kind of the camp that I would say is more than kind of the more traditional approach of like, we're going to build a spec and we're going to bid it out. And that's typically going to be like roughly six months prior to a school opening. Maybe they'll get a little further ahead. Maybe it'll be nine months. But and then there's this other camp. And that's more of like, we're going to pick our partner early on. We're going to do some type of valuation and pick our partner first before we pick the products. Have you had experience with either one of those or is yours typically some type of hybrid? Amanda Hastings A little bit of a hybrid. Mostly bidding. A lot of times it comes from the client. They sort of dictate what it is. In Connecticut, you have the option of either using a state contract or going to bid. But you're limited by who's on the state contract. And thankfully, a lot of the school products are, but not necessarily everything. And then there's limits to that. So it's working around that contract system. But we kind of do a hybrid thing in my office where even if we go to bid, we're limiting what the product could product is, so you're not just opening up to anyone providing you anything and then kind of having to vet it and work with the client to figure out on the end, know, are these chairs comfortable? Like, does this one match this one? Are they equal in ergonomics and durability? We kind of dictate upfront, like, here are your three things that we've already vetted that these ones, here's your basis of design that we know that we want and two, that we will accept, and that is it. So we kind of control exactly where getting it. It's not a perfect system. Ideally, we would love to just go work with VS and get the VS chair or work directly with Smith's systems and get exactly what we want. But for me, it's always been very hard because it's not always up to me of how we can do that. Working within the parameters that I have, we try very hard to make our own rules to make the system work for us. Kevin Stoller Yeah. And it is, I mean, you're 100 % right from what I'm...been hearing from everyone. It is so dependent on each state and what the requirements are. And then obviously, sometimes the districts have different preferences in there. Yeah, and I think that's, that's the piece to me that is probably like the, the next wave of the conversations that we that be next proving how do we do this? Yeah, of the how we do this because yeah, because because I do think that that's where we're at right now. Like, like, this is the moment where we need to have the discussions of like, is furniture a commodity? Or is furniture, you know, an integral part of the learning environment? Because you know, the reality of it, like, if you have to put three equals, on there. They're never quite equal. if you start mixing and matching, it doesn't have the same design intent where if it was all the basis of design, or if you can say, hey, this is exactly what I want, you can actually pick that and the district can actually pick this is what we want on there. that's why you like Yeah, if I'm going to put my my experience on it, it's like, man, when you can do that, you're going to have a much better result. You're going have this collaborative approach. You're going to know exactly what you're getting. You're going to know the pricing upfront. You're going to say like, hey, we are not going to be, we're not going over budget and we can now decide what is the most important thing. So if we want to put more of our resources into a certain, a certain part of the school or certain ones, we can now like collaboratively make those decisions versus putting a bid out and then trying to piece it all back together once we get all these bid prices. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely would help them, you know, maintain the level of what you want in the end, which I feel like sometimes like, not, know, our struggle is sometimes, sometimes not everyone really understands the value of the furniture, no matter what you say. And everyone has, you know, their things that they think are the most important, whether it be an architectural item or something for the custodial, like a very expensive piece of equipment for a custodial. And so it's weighing those things where everyone kind of comes in there with their own opinions. so furniture is not always the top priority for everyone. sometimes we get the, we'll just use the existing chairs and desks and they're all attached to each other and it's fine. They're in good condition. And you just think like, no, no, please. Like, let us figure out like a way to work with the budget and work with what you're getting. And, you know, if you can truly get what you want in the end, like that would definitely help them. you know, it's always that struggle of like not everyone sees that furniture as the priority based on, know, whatever they're coming to the table with there. Yeah. So is it, is it the biggest obstacle if I'm hearing you right is more of like the education of the client? I would say, yeah, the education of the people that make the decisions. Not necessarily, you it's not always teachers who are making decisions. A lot of times it's, you know, people that are part of the building committee, the Board of Ed, superintendents, like, you know, they all kind of have a lot of influence because they are the ones that make the financial decisions. So it's us bringing our expertise to them so they understand that this is something valuable that they should be putting their money into and why, right? What, from your point of view, what would be like if you can wave a magic wand to make this better or to make sure these projects have a bigger impact, what's the biggest thing that you think is getting in your way? Amanda Hastings I think honestly, people just are very unaware of the furniture world. They don't really understand what is available to them or why behind furniture design and how the classrooms function. I feel like a lot of times, you know, like a board of ed or a building committee is parents or people that are retired and they're kind of doing this as, know, on the side. So a lot of times they're not even working in the schools or they're not necessarily like seeing what it's like living in those classrooms. They feel like a lot, like the people that come to the table don't necessarily know all the stuff that we deal with on a daily basis or necessarily the stuff that the teacher's dealing with on a daily basis. some way, if there was a way to get more education out there to those, that tier of people that are invested in the schools. I think it would really help, you know, people, not only us, but obviously the schools and school systems and all the way down to the students, because those people would be advocating for it at that level. And earlier on than even like the architects and designers are involved in the play, you know, and they're, they're putting this together to get the funding for these projects in the beginning, if they set that as a priority. before it even becomes a project. I think that is key in getting better furniture. Yeah. I always think of it it's in a lot of ways, it's almost like a cultural shift. like, how do you, yeah, how do you? And to generalize, a lot of times people on the building committee are older because they have more time. They're retired.... /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/34020892

FF&E Procurement Revisionism Series: Furniture Procurement Doesn’t Have to Be Hard or Scary 11/14/2024

FF&E Procurement Revisionism Series: Furniture Procurement Doesn’t Have to Be Hard or Scary Are you ready to revolutionize the way your school thinks about furniture? In our FF&E Procurement Revisionism Series, we’ll explore how integrating flexible, student-centered furniture into your classroom designs can enhance engagement and foster better learning outcomes. Plus, learn how to overcome the hurdles of traditional procurement processes to streamline the journey from concept to installation. Episode 3 of 3: The EXECUTION In Episode 3 of the FF&E Procurement Revisionism Series, guest speaker Brad Kiehl demystifies the furniture procurement process, highlighting strategies to make it more efficient and stress-free for schools. This episode covers the value of involving furniture dealers early, allowing them to work alongside design teams to ensure alignment between educational goals and furniture needs. Brad explains how early collaboration can help districts avoid common challenges, such as misaligned bids and inconsistent quality, while also simplifying logistics through a single point of contact for delivery and installation. Takeaways: Early involvement of furniture dealers Best practices for the procurement process Benefits of cooperative contracts Simplifying delivery and installation through a single point of contact We’re thrilled to introduce Aaron Buehring as the co-host for this special three-part series of the Better Learning Podcast. As the Director of Educational Environments at Lionakis, Aaron brings over 15 years of interior design expertise and a unique background as both a professional anthropologist and interior designer. His holistic approach to design—integrating finishes, branding, furniture, art, and lighting—along with his commitment to research-based strategies, positions him as a leading voice in shaping NextGEN learning environments. Aaron’s passion for enhancing how humans interact with space makes him the perfect guide for these thought-provoking discussions on the transformative role of furniture in education. Follow Aaron Buehring on Social Media: LinkedIn: Learn More About Lionakis: Episode Guest: Brad Kiehl has been working in the educational community for public and private entities for over 25 years and is currently the Director of Educational Planning for HTK Architects. Over the course of his educational career, brad has gained experience in all phases planning, design, construction and being an owner's representative. Follow Brad Kiehl on Social Media: LinkedIn: The FF&E Procurement Revisionism Series on the Better Learning Podcast Host: Kevin Stoller Co-Host: Aaron Buehring Episode 206 of the Better Learning Podcast Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at . For more information on our partners: Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - Education Leaders' Organization - Second Class Foundation - EDmarket - Catapult @ Penn GSE - Want to be a Guest Speaker? /episode/index/show/betterlearning/id/33935312

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