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'Wonder' with Brian Proctor, Carla Cummins, and Kevin Stoller

Better Learning Podcast

Release Date: 06/18/2025

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What if your first day of school wasn’t just nerve-wracking, but something you’d spent your entire life preparing for? That’s the reality for Auggie Pullman, the main character in Wonder (2017), a film that tells the story of a young boy with facial differences entering a mainstream school for the first time.

In this episode, host Kevin Stoller, co-host Carla Cummins, and guest speaker Brian Proctor took a deep dive into the film - not just as a touching family drama, but as a case study in education. From peer relationships to teacher support to the role of school culture, Wonder gives us a lens through which we can evaluate how schools succeed - or fail - in creating inclusive, student-centered environments.

The panel explores the film’s central themes of belonging, identity, and the dynamics of family and friendship. They dive into character development, examining how each person - Auggie, his sister Via, classmates like Jack Will, and school leaders - represents a different experience with acceptance and adversity. The conversation also touches on kindness, leadership, bullying, and the growing influence of social media in school dynamics. Guest Brian Proctor, who transitioned from education leadership to a role in school architecture, shares his perspective on how physical space contributes to emotional safety and inclusion.

 

Takeaways:

  • Family dynamics play a crucial role in shaping children’s emotional and social growth.
  • The principal’s leadership style showcases how kindness and character education can take priority over rigid rule enforcement.
  • Quotes from the film, like “When given the choice between being right and being kind, choose kind,” leave a lasting emotional impact.
  • Social media is a double-edged sword—it can amplify support, but also bullying, shaping students’ daily realities.

 

 

About Brian Proctor:

With 25 years of experience in public education, Brian Proctor joined Ratio as an Associate Principal and Education Planner, bringing new perspectives and thought processes to projects as he serves as a bridge between K12 clients and design teams. Brian offers unique and relevant insights based on his first-hand experience within education organizations, including years of leadership as an elementary school principal and as a key contributor to the design and development teams of multiple school renovation and construction projects.

Drawn to Ratio’s values-driven culture and community-focused team, Brian shares a passion for personal growth and positive impact. He connects people through fun and energetic communication that comforts and engages and encourages active participation. His work focuses not only on the social and emotional wellbeing of students and staff, but also on purposeful design that supports all learners. By simplifying situations and spaces – reducing barriers and minimizing anxiety – schools become fun and nurturing spaces where kids feel a sense of autonomy and support, and love to learn.

Brian is a caring and energetic connector who gains his own personal fulfillment by sharing with others and spreading joy – often supported by a closet full of entertaining costumes. Devoting as much time as he can to gathering with family and friends, Brian is dedicated to cultivating partnerships, nurturing relationships, and building better communities – and to taking life one day at a time, making sure to stop along the way to have fun.

 

“If we’re asking teachers and kids to be innovative in their learning and problem solving, then we need to be innovative too.”

 
 

Learn More About Brian Proctor:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianproctor2022/

 

 

 

Connect with host, Kevin Stoller:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/

 

Connect with co-host, Carla Cummins:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carla-cummins-01449659/

 

Learn More About Kay-Twelve:

Website: https://kay-twelve.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/

 

 

 

Episode 237 of the Better Learning Podcast


Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.

 

 

For more information on our partners:

Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) - https://www.a4le.org/

Education Leaders' Organization - https://www.ed-leaders.org/

Second Class Foundation - https://secondclassfoundation.org/

EDmarket - https://www.edmarket.org/

Catapult @ Penn GSE - https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/


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