BTI #242: The Actual Role of Marketing with Shannon Fable
Release Date: 06/02/2021
What Photographers Get Wrong About Copyright (And How to Protect Your Work)
Beyond the Image Podcast
You created the image. You own the copyright. So what happens when someone uses your photograph without your permission? In this episode of Beyond the Image, James Patrick breaks down one of the most overlooked parts of running a photography business: understanding and protecting your intellectual property. James explores the difference between copyright and trademark, why photographers often wait until something goes wrong to learn about their rights, what questions to ask when your work is used without permission, and why contracts, licensing, documentation, and education matter. He also...
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Not Every Client Has to Be Your Client
Beyond the Image Podcast
What do you do when a company with more than $70 billion in annual revenue asks you to work for one-tenth of your normal rate? You could try to convince them that your pricing is justified. You could explain your experience, your overhead, your equipment, your expertise and the value of the work. Or you could have a completely different conversation. In this episode of Beyond the Image, James Patrick breaks down what happened when a major company presented him with a budget dramatically below his normal rate, and why he chose not to negotiate against himself. Instead of simply discounting his...
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I Followed Peerspace's Rules. They Flagged My Account Anyway.
Beyond the Image Podcast
What happens when you follow a platform’s rules exactly as they’re written… and still get flagged? In this episode of Beyond the Image, James Patrick shares his recent experience with Peerspace after a potential renter tried to move a conversation off-platform. James did exactly what Peerspace’s rules require: he refused and kept the conversation on the platform. He was then flagged by Peerspace anyway. What followed raised much bigger questions about the relationship between Peerspace and the small businesses that supply its marketplace. James breaks down Peerspace’s increasingly...
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You Don't Need More Leads, You Need This Instead
Beyond the Image Podcast
If your answer to every slow season is, "I just need more leads," this episode is for you. The truth is, most photographers don't have a lead problem—they have a client journey problem. In this solo episode of Beyond the Image, James Patrick breaks down why chasing more inquiries isn't the answer and why building a complete marketing journey is what creates consistent, predictable business growth. You'll learn: Why more leads won't fix a broken marketing process The client journey every photographer should be intentionally designing Why marketing is more than social media How to stop...
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Why Photographers Feel Invisible (And Why More Leads Won't Fix It)
Beyond the Image Podcast
You create great work. Your clients love the experience. So why does it still feel like no one knows who you are? In this episode of Beyond the Image, James Patrick breaks down one of the biggest misconceptions photographers have about growing their business: believing that more followers, more leads, or another marketing tactic will finally make them visible. The truth is, most photographers don't have a lead problem. They have a positioning problem. You'll learn why talent alone doesn't create opportunities, how to become known for something specific, and what actually builds trust with the...
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The Most Expensive Marketing Mistake I Keep Making
Beyond the Image Podcast
What if one of the biggest wastes of money in your business isn't bad gear, a bad hire, or a failed ad campaign? In this episode, James shares one of the costliest mistakes he's made over the last 20 years: repeatedly hiring lead generation companies that promised a calendar full of qualified prospects. Instead, they delivered copy-and-paste outreach, unqualified meetings, damaged brand perception, and zero clients. You'll learn: Why automated outreach often hurts more than it helps How "guaranteed leads" can still waste your time and money The hidden cost of outsourcing your relationships...
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What to Do When a Client Cancels Your Photography Project
Beyond the Image Podcast
Every creative eventually gets the email or phone call they never want to receive: "We're going to have to cancel the project." Whether you're a photographer, videographer, designer, or creative entrepreneur, canceled projects can cost far more than just the paycheck. They cost planning time, production hours, reserved calendar space, and lost opportunities. In this episode of Beyond the Image, I share several real stories from my own business—including projects canceled just days before production—and explain how I now protect my business with stronger contracts, retainers, cancellation...
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Stop Blaming Your Gear: What Actually Makes a Professional Photographer
Beyond the Image Podcast
Most photographers overestimate the importance of gear and underestimate the importance of experience. In this episode, we break down why professionals don’t lose shots because of equipment—they lose shots because of decisions, skill gaps, or lack of clarity on what actually matters. The right gear matters only when it directly improves your work, your workflow, or your client results. Everything else is noise. Instagram: Substack: Website:
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When Should Photographers Start Charging for Their Work?
Beyond the Image Podcast
One of the biggest mistakes aspiring photographers make is believing they need "a little more" before they can start charging. More experience. More gear. More education. More portfolio work. But what if that mindset is the very thing holding you back? In this episode, James Patrick challenges the common belief that photographers need to reach some mythical level of perfection before they can monetize their work. Drawing from his own journey—from getting paid for his very first published photograph as a journalist to launching video production services decades later—James explores the...
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When Should You Refund a Client? (And When Should You Walk Away?)
Beyond the Image Podcast
Every creative entrepreneur will eventually face the uncomfortable question: Should I refund this client? In this episode of Beyond the Image, James Patrick breaks down the only two situations where issuing a refund actually makes business sense. The first is obvious—when you've made the mistake and failed to deliver what you promised. The second is far more controversial: when dealing with a bad-faith client will cost you more in time, energy, and stress than the money is worth. Through real-world stories from more than two decades in business, James shares lessons on client accountability,...
info_outlineWe have a special episode for you today. As we were going back through our archives, I found this interview with Shannon Fable back in 2019 for a separate podcast that I used to run called the FITposium podcast. As I was re-listening to this interview, I realized this was such an in depth, powerful interview about marketing and how we chose to market our brand and services, I knew I needed to share this with you. So, let’s dive in.
Shannon Fable is a fitness business consultant and serves as chair of the board for American Council on Exercise’s (ACE). Shannon focuses on business development with fitness brands; she helps them dig into where they want to go, who they think their target market is, and help them develop a strategic plan on how to get there.
IN THIS EPISODE
- How the fitness and health industry has changed in the last 3-5 years.
- The importance of working from an abundance mentality in this industry.
- Earning the attention of the audience you’re trying to connect with correctly.
- Realizing that marketing doesn’t get you clients, it gets you awareness.
- Why having patience in the sales cycle is key.
“When their (the customer’s) level of trust lines up with the value they’re putting on what you’re doing, then they will buy.”
- Not being afraid to give, give, give, and give in order to build relationships.
- Why content marketing is crucial.
- To stop selling out of your own pocket.
- What to do differently when price is an objection.
- Why you need to set up a business and offer a variety of services/products.
- The 3 things you can always monetize:
- A digital product for passive income
- A group product
- A one-on-one coaching product
- Are you a freelancer or an entrepreneur?
- How and why you need to get really clear about what you want.
“If you’re not willing to give away your information without fear that giving it away will steal from your potential to monetize what you know, you are not going to make it in this business because people can get that information somewhere else.”
Connect with Shannon:
Website: www.shannonfable.com/
Instagram: @sfable
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