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438: The Secret Sauce to Cider's Growth is #XPromoteCider

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Release Date: 12/18/2024

459: The Apple Finch’s Pet-Nats at de Groote Wei Cider | Netherlands show art 459: The Apple Finch’s Pet-Nats at de Groote Wei Cider | Netherlands

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Fourth-Generation Farmer, First-Generation Cidermaker Sophie Horstink of De Groote Wei, which means The Great Meadow in Dutch, is crafting Dutch cider as a value added project at her family’s farm. Located in the eastern Netherlands near Arnhem, the farm spans 16 hectares and has long produced dessert apples and pears. Sophie Horstink The Horstink family market is well-known and is a go-to place for locals to shop and would be considered a grocery store. She released her first cider in 2022. The early response was enthusiastic, selling out quickly and prompting her to scale...

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458: Sodo Sidriné and the Rise of Lithuanian Craft Cider show art 458: Sodo Sidriné and the Rise of Lithuanian Craft Cider

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Donatas Genys didn’t set out to launch Lithuania’s first keeved cider. But after trips to England and Normandy, years of experimentation, and the planting of over 6,000 cider apple trees, that’s exactly what he’s doing. At Sodo Sidriné, located just a few kilometers from the city of Kaunus, Donatas is into a whole new era for cider Lithuania’s cider revival Donatas Genys Cider Culture and Baltic Roots Lithuania has deep agricultural roots, but apple trees which at many of the homes are desired more for eating or making apple wine while vodka and beer under Soviet rule...

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457: Snow Capped Cider: A Family Legacy at 7,000 Feet | CO show art 457: Snow Capped Cider: A Family Legacy at 7,000 Feet | CO

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At the base of Colorado’s Grand Mesa, the world’s largest flat-top mountain, five generations of fruit growers have worked the land. Today, Snow Capped Cider carries on that legacy, crafting estate-grown ciders from fruit nurtured at elevations between 6,130 and 7,000 feet. The high desert sun, volcanic soil, and pure snowmelt water combine to create vibrant apples and distinctive ciders. From Hobby to Heritage What began as a small experiment soon blossomed into a full-fledged cidery. Sparked by a disappointing store-bought cider, Kari Williams and her family leaned into their winemaking...

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456: From Oregon to Norway: Abram Goldman-Armstrong’s Cider Journey show art 456: From Oregon to Norway: Abram Goldman-Armstrong’s Cider Journey

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This episode of Cider Chat, was recorded in person with Abram Goldman-Armstrong at CiderCon2025 in Chicago. Hear his journey to cider. From growing up in Oregon’s Yamhill County to his current work in Norway’s Hardanger region at Alde Sider. Abram began fermenting cider as a student in Minnesota and went on to found the cidery known as Cider Riot in Portland, Oregon. His experience reflects both the evolution of the cider industry and the challenges of building a business grounded in values and community. The Cider Riot Years Cider Riot grew from a home cider making project into a...

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455: Zero Percent Sh*t  | John Edwards Returns show art 455: Zero Percent Sh*t | John Edwards Returns

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John Edwards, longtime cider maker and integral team member at Ross on Wye Cider & Perry Co., and the creative force behind his personal label Fly be Night Cider was last on the podcast in 2019. John Edwards In this Cider Chat with John Edwards ohn is part of the tight-knit crew at Ross Cider who keep things running from orchard to bottle. The team has embraced a belt press system, which John finds surprisingly nimble—even for small batches. While Ross is rooted in tradition, they’re also evolving their process to match the scale and diversity of their...

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454: Wild Ferment Meets Fine Cider: Inside Oliver’s Barrel Room show art 454: Wild Ferment Meets Fine Cider: Inside Oliver’s Barrel Room

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Rainy Days Goes Best with Dry Cider in the Barrel Room Walking into the barrel room at Oliver’s Cider and Perry Company, you might think you know what to expect. But surrounded by whitewashed stone walls, standing beneath the old Hessian sacking floor, and facing rows of aging barrels, I quickly realized this wasn’t just a cidery—it’s a living, breathing creative space for cider making. Tom Oliver sources fruit both from his farm and from local orchards across Herefordshire. This isn’t an estate cidery where everything is grown on-site—but what sets Oliver’s cider and perry...

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453: Homage to Perry Legends by Tom Oliver at AppleFest | UK show art 453: Homage to Perry Legends by Tom Oliver at AppleFest | UK

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Celebrating Perry’s Past, Present, and Future Tom Oliver began his keynote by saying, "At this year’s Applefest Banquet, I had the honor of lifting a glass to the people behind the pear—specifically Perry. It wasn’t just a toast to the drink itself, but to the incredible commitment behind its preservation and craft." Tom Oliver Three Perry Legends Charles Martel Known for his Stinking Bishop cheese and peri-based products. Catalogued disappearing peri pear varieties, creating the first national collection at the Three Counties Showground. His book on Gloucestershire...

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452: Mac to Redfield: Four Phantoms Brewery Embraces Cider | MA show art 452: Mac to Redfield: Four Phantoms Brewery Embraces Cider | MA

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Drew Phillips opened the doors of Four Phantoms in Greenfield, Massachusetts in 2021. He began his fermentation career in the Pacific Northwest, and while waiting to open his own brewery, he took on the role as cider maker at Artifact Cider Project. Drew Phillips Known for his creative ciders and beers, Drew blends tradition with innovation, sourcing local fruit and experimenting with wild fermentation. Check out  on the making of Old Gods . In this episode, Drew shares how Four Phantoms’ unique approach reflects the terroir of Western Massachusetts. Early Challenges of a...

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451: Hello Season 10 and The Berkshire Roundtable show art 451: Hello Season 10 and The Berkshire Roundtable

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In this Season 10 premier of Cider Chat, "Introductions" are featured from over 40 persons in attendance at the annual 2025 Berkshire Roundtable. Kicking off Season 10 of Cider Chat The opportunity to begin Season 10 with "Hellos" from a wide range of people in the cider community is the perfect fit for this milestone episode. Here at Cider Chat Central we hope that this Season opener acts as a reminder that there is a wealth of knowledge at hand at a grass roots level in every region of the US. Of course, this holds true for other countries as well and right about now this reminder...

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450th Roger Wilkins - The Cider King show art 450th Roger Wilkins - The Cider King

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Looking back at Season 9 and Forward with Roger Wilkins In this season ending episode we visit Roger Wilkins at his Lands End Farm. Cider King – Roger Wilkins Roger Wilkins, is known globally as the “Cider King,” and is a legendary figure in Somerset cider-making. He has been running Wilkins' Cider Farm in Mudgley since taking over from his grandfather in 1969. Renowned for his traditional methods, Roger ferments locally grown bittersweet apples in oak barrels, producing unfiltered, unsweetened farmhouse cider. His no-nonsense style and commitment to authenticity have made Wilkins'...

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The Recipe for #xpromotecider

Collaboration isn’t just a buzzword—it’s the recipe for growth. In this episode of Cider Chat, we explore how the #xpromotecider campaign over the course of 2024.

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What is #xpromotecider?

The #xpromotecider campaign started as a way to encourage cider brands and enthusiasts to cross share episodes of Cider Chat so that Cider Chat could in turn share news about their brand. The end goal was to help educate cider fans about the resources and how-tos of cider making

Brands and fans were invited to repost Cider Chat episodes and/or download the informative Cider Chat.pdf and then tack it to a bulletin board in a tasting room.

Why Cross-Promotion is the Secret Ingredient

Cross-promotion isn’t just about visibility—it’s about creating a shared identity for the cider industry. Here’s why it matters:

  1. Building Regional Destinations
    Regions like the Finger Lakes, Michigan, and Normandy have become cider tourism hotspots because of collaborative efforts among cideries. By promoting each other, these regions attract visitors and grow collectively.
  2. Reaching New Audiences
    Sharing others’ stories helps introduce cider to new audiences who might not otherwise explore it. Cross-promotion creates opportunities to educate and inspire potential fans.
  3. Strengthening Community Bonds
    When cider makers work together, it fosters a sense of unity that resonates with consumers. People want to support an industry that feels connected and supportive.

The Risks of Staying Isolated or not cross promoting

Isolation may seem like the safer route for some, but it comes with risks:

  • Missed Opportunities: Without collaboration, regions miss out on tourism and media exposure.
  • Industry Stagnation: Staying focused only on individual brands limits the industry’s potential to grow and attract new customers.
  • Disconnection: Consumers are less likely to engage with a fragmented industry that doesn’t show unity.

By embracing cross-promotion, cider makers can avoid these pitfalls and contribute to a stronger, more vibrant community.

Spotlight on Cider Champions

Throughout the year, many individuals and brands have stepped up to embrace #xpromotecider. Here are just a few examples:

  • @ciderexplorer consistently reshared weekly episodes, helping to spread the word.
  • Cider makers downloaded and posted the Cider Chat PDF to engage their audiences and connect with their local communities.

To see the full list of contributors, check out the YouTube version of this episode, where we showcase screenshots of posts from the past year. And stay tuned to our social media for more highlights!

How to Join the Cross Promote Campaign

Ready to get involved? Here are a few ways to join #xpromotecider:

  • Share this blog post or the podcast episode with your audience.
  • Use the hashtag #xpromotecider in your posts and tag your favorite cider brands.
  • Download the Cider Chat PDF and display it in your tasting room to encourage guests to learn more about cider.

Together, we can grow the cider community into 2025 and continue to build a stronger, more connected industry. Join the fun and start cross-promoting cider today