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Getting more news coverage: how do you take 1 high-profile case and get more than 15 minutes of fame? Kay Van Wey is a board-certified PI lawyer with 30+ years of experience. She is the principal owner & founder of Van Wey, Presby & Williams, a Dallas, Texas-based personal injury litigation firm. When Kay isn’t managing her firm or practicing law, she advocates for patient safety. Kay is a big believer in finding your "why", which is one of the things she credits for her ongoing enthusiasm for her work.
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Discussion of ways lawyers can be there for clients (and potential clients) in the uncertain COVID-19 environment. We also say congratulations, farewell, good luck, and until next time to Kelly as she embarks on her new venture.
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This episode of Clienting is with a lawyer and podcasting powerhouse, Morris Lilienthal. Mo is a lawyer at in Huntsville Alabama. The son of a judicial assistant, Mo is a passionate lawyer, advocate for March of Dimes and a passionate advocate for life & sports in Alabama. Podcast: The Mo Show (Live) on FB Live and then YouTube and then podcast - podcasting for 2 1/2 years We talk about Mo's Podcast process, the equipment he uses (it's easy and inexpensive), how Mo finds guests, and what he does once the podcast/Facebook Live is recorded. What do you do with the podcast...
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Megan Zavieh focuses exclusively on attorney ethics, representing California attorneys facing State Bar disciplinary action and providing tools for lawyers to defend themselves through ethics investigations and prosecutions. She also provides resources to practicing lawyers to structure their firms to minimize their ethics exposure.
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Marco Brown is a husband, father, and divorce attorney in Salt Lake City, Utah. Nothing makes him happier than cooking, eating, and traveling, except maybe reading. This episode focuses on capturing the low-hanging fruit of more money without necessarily spending money. How to create a flywheel - the cyclical process of client experience. As a small business owner, Marco also shares how he has been able to have money to market his firm AND learn how to attract the clients that his law firm wants to serve.
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Josh Gerben is a trademark attorney and founder of Gerben Law Firm, PLLC. The law firm was created by Mr. Gerben to help small and large businesses alike have access to trademark lawyers who are affordable and responsive to their needs.
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Gyi and Kelly are here for their 3rd Annual Legal Marketing Trends episode. What's new in 2020? Listen in to find out!
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Who are Ryan McKeen and Hailey Rice? Ryan is the CEO of Connecticut Trial Firm, LLC.Ryan is also a co-author of the best selling "Tiger Tactics: Powerful Strategies for Winning Law Firms". Hailey Rice is a Connecticut-based personal injury attorney, zealous social media participant, and host of the Woman on Top podcast.
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In a first for Clienting, we're bringing a guest back for a second episode. Erin Gerstenzang is a practicing Criminal Defense attorney based in Atlanta. We discuss future-focused law firms who are looking at where clients are going to come from tomorrow, not just today.
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We've deemed this episode "Random Acts of Marketing" because that's what the data shows are happening in the majority of small law firms.
info_outlineOn this episode of Clienting, Gyi and Kelly answer former guest Rob Schenk's questions on journalist outreach, HARO, and conferences.
Outreach
- The first rule of journalist outreach- you have to have a story!
- When doing outreach, the creative aspect is super important- don't make a journalist have to work for the story, give it to them.
- Journalists are people too- they want to know that you have more to offer than "I'm a lawyer and have things to say." Engage with them over time, "I'm here to help you cover this issue."
- Demonstrate expertise by showcasing examples from your experience.
- Have a few outreach templates for this, which you can easily find in a Google search. Search for "PR Journalist Outreach Tools"
- Twitter: Search for subjects and people in your geographic area.
- Focus on local reporters that cover stories related to your practice area and make sure they include your law firm website and/or your name.
- Go where your audience is- if your audience is local, stick to local or industry-specific.
- HARO - Help A Reporter Out, is a network for reporters and sources to find one another. You can register yourself as an expert and seek out the source requests.
- Think about building a landing page for your lawyer outreach and speaking bio. You could include links to articles and quotes from articles here that you may not always want to, or be able to, include on your law firm website.
- Make sure to include the source material, your quote, your links, and everything needed for the article in your outreach.
- Use Mention and Google Alerts to keep track of links and mentions where they may not link to you. Many sites now have a no-link policy.
Conference Advice
What matters? The format, the speakers, and you. Are you participating? Who are the speakers? What are the topics? What is the format? Workshops allow you more engagement with the experts, so if you want to dive in, focus on those.
- Legal Conferences:
- ABA Techshow - this year will include a Marketing Technology track
- AAJ - Their mid-year (Winter) conference includes a marketing track
- National Trial Lawyers Summit
- Crisp Gamechanger conference
- Clio
- PILMMA
- LabCon - Lawyerist
- Marketing Conferences: Get outside of legal if you really want to learn marketing. You only get a legal perspective from a legal marketing conference.
- BEDLAM
- MozCon
- Ungagged
- Inbound
- Brighton SEO
- Searchlove
- State of Search - DFW SEM
- PubCon
- Engage - PDX SEM
If you want to learn something, go on the internet. If you also want to meet people, have more engagement, create a referral network- go to a conference.