Clienting
Getting more news coverage: how do you take 1 high-profile case and get more than 15 minutes of fame? Kay Van Wey is a board-certified PI lawyer with 30+ years of experience. She is the principal owner & founder of Van Wey, Presby & Williams, a Dallas, Texas-based personal injury litigation firm. When Kay isn’t managing her firm or practicing law, she advocates for patient safety. Kay is a big believer in finding your "why", which is one of the things she credits for her ongoing enthusiasm for her work.
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Discussion of ways lawyers can be there for clients (and potential clients) in the uncertain COVID-19 environment. We also say congratulations, farewell, good luck, and until next time to Kelly as she embarks on her new venture.
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This episode of Clienting is with a lawyer and podcasting powerhouse, Morris Lilienthal. Mo is a lawyer at in Huntsville Alabama. The son of a judicial assistant, Mo is a passionate lawyer, advocate for March of Dimes and a passionate advocate for life & sports in Alabama. Podcast: The Mo Show (Live) on FB Live and then YouTube and then podcast - podcasting for 2 1/2 years We talk about Mo's Podcast process, the equipment he uses (it's easy and inexpensive), how Mo finds guests, and what he does once the podcast/Facebook Live is recorded. What do you do with the podcast...
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Megan Zavieh focuses exclusively on attorney ethics, representing California attorneys facing State Bar disciplinary action and providing tools for lawyers to defend themselves through ethics investigations and prosecutions. She also provides resources to practicing lawyers to structure their firms to minimize their ethics exposure.
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Marco Brown is a husband, father, and divorce attorney in Salt Lake City, Utah. Nothing makes him happier than cooking, eating, and traveling, except maybe reading. This episode focuses on capturing the low-hanging fruit of more money without necessarily spending money. How to create a flywheel - the cyclical process of client experience. As a small business owner, Marco also shares how he has been able to have money to market his firm AND learn how to attract the clients that his law firm wants to serve.
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Josh Gerben is a trademark attorney and founder of Gerben Law Firm, PLLC. The law firm was created by Mr. Gerben to help small and large businesses alike have access to trademark lawyers who are affordable and responsive to their needs.
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Gyi and Kelly are here for their 3rd Annual Legal Marketing Trends episode. What's new in 2020? Listen in to find out!
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Who are Ryan McKeen and Hailey Rice? Ryan is the CEO of Connecticut Trial Firm, LLC.Ryan is also a co-author of the best selling "Tiger Tactics: Powerful Strategies for Winning Law Firms". Hailey Rice is a Connecticut-based personal injury attorney, zealous social media participant, and host of the Woman on Top podcast.
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In a first for Clienting, we're bringing a guest back for a second episode. Erin Gerstenzang is a practicing Criminal Defense attorney based in Atlanta. We discuss future-focused law firms who are looking at where clients are going to come from tomorrow, not just today.
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We've deemed this episode "Random Acts of Marketing" because that's what the data shows are happening in the majority of small law firms.
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Justie has even taught a CLE on tech tools as a solo to boost client experience! When you look at the list of tools below and listen, keep in mind that Justie is a regular lawyer who implemented these tools over time, as she saw a need. She starts with a low-cost or free solution
What Justie uses to streamline her firm and client experience:
- Wisestamp for email signature (appt scheduler, tweets, etc)

- Copper CRM
- Connects with Zapier to her email and more
- Typeform for intake/conflict check
- Prior to client consultations, have them fill this out.
- Send a post-consultation form to see why a potential client didn't choose your law firm
- Send a post-case form to get client feedback for reviews
- Zapier, to connect apps and services
- Acuity for appointments
- Set expectations with clients so they know when and how appointments should go; filling out a conflict check prior, etc.
- Consult with everyone who wants one or send them referral sources; just don't let them feel ignored
- Square for payments
- Easily end to collect payment at the time of engagement
- Justie includes a credit card charge policy in her engagement letter, so clients know how payments work
- Docusign for document signing
- Engagement letters, etc.
- AttorneySync uses PandaDoc for document sharing and signing
- Buffer for social media
- Trello for content management
- Outsourcing marketing efforts
- Content creation
- Schedule posts, draft one month at a time
- Use an attorney or an agency who understands legal ethics
- Posts for referrals and posts for clients
- Digital marketing
- Pay-per-click
- Cost per click, and customer acquisition cost
- SEO
- Monitor ad copy to make sure it complies with your state's ethics rules
- Pay-per-click
- Website updates and buildout
- Make sure to track Return On Investment for all marketing efforts; Justie likes to try one new method at a time
- Content creation
- Smith.ai for after-hours receptionist and chatbots for website communication
- Receptionist service for inbound and outbound calls, filling out the intake form and helping schedule appointments or court reminders for clients.
- Using a chatbot as an option for communication, even if it isn't something you would want to use.
- Non-tech: Engagement Letters to set client expectations
- How you will communicate with them and when it is appropriate to contact you
- Your lawyer-style; aggressive or not?
- Quickbooks for firm accounting methods
- Manually reimbursing credit card charge fees
- Square & Quickbooks connections
- Ethics Issues:
- Engagement letter includes a section about the technology used for information and document security
Contact Justie at justieforjustice@gmail.com or find her on social media: #officedogs
Contact Kelly for more information on Clienting at kelly@attorneysync.com