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Persuasion Secrets the CIA Doesn’t Want You To Know with Andrew Bustamante | Ep 388

Next Level Podcast with Jeremy Miner

Release Date: 09/17/2025

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Former CIA intelligence officer Andrew Bustamante joins Jeremy Miner to reveal spy tradecraft, persuasion secrets, and the hidden psychology of influence. A U.S. Air Force veteran turned CIA officer and founder of EverydaySpy, Andrew has built a global platform teaching intelligence techniques for business, leadership, and everyday life.

In this episode, Andrew takes you inside nuclear bunkers, covert disguises, and the Shadow Cell operation the CIA tried to block. He breaks down the three lives every human hides (public, private, secret), how spies win compliance without pressure, and why the Agency fought to keep his book classified. You’ll hear tradecraft never before shared publicly and how you can use it to sell, influence, and connect on a deeper level. 

Chapters
(00:00) From Air Force Bunkers to CIA Recruitment
(09:26) Shadow Cell: The Book Fight & the CIA Mole
(15:45) Public, Private & Secret Lives: The Persuasion Playbook
(19:46) Sensemaking & Mirroring: Creating Compliance
(26:07) Tonality, Baselines & Emotional Connection
(43:35) Disguises & Cleansing Routes: Real Spy Tradecraft
(54:47) AI, Surveillance & The Future of Persuasion
(01:02:40) EverydaySpy: Where to Learn More 

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✅ Connect with Andrew Bustamante
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