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Release Date: 10/14/2020

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Ramping back up for the fall season, Chris, Mike & McD spice it up with what some of us thought was a normal Sunday afternoon. This was until Chris drops some news that he is afraid he might lose his job for his behavior. 

Still a little confused, Mike & McD quickly learn that he's playing with them and Chris' love for surprises comes quick with the introduction of a song he's been working on about the show. 

It's live on all of the streaming services - but you can hear the new show music hear first on this special transitional show. It's a new time at conventioNOT Podcast and we're excited to continue to grow. Make sure you check out the new artwork and the story of how it came to be on the latest episode. 

Available now wherever you listen to podcasts, or quick launch your own podcast app by clicking on http://conventionot.com 

Episode Transcription: 

Chris Harris  00:08

What's up, everybody? Thanks so much for listening. On today's episode, I've got a surprise. And that surprise is I wrote a song for the podcast and Mike and Ryan have no idea. Yeah, that's right. I wrote a song for the podcast. And Mike and Ryan have no clue. So I'm going to surprise him. And we'll see how it turns out. Anyway, sit back, relax, and enjoy these tunes. Peace. Hey, it's good to see you guys again.

 

Michael Sinnott  00:46

Hi, Chris. Hi, Ryan. Happy Sunday.

 

Ryan McDevitt  00:51

Sunday show day. That's right show day. I know y'all I so you know,

 

Chris Harris  00:58

guys, I don't really like work too much on the weekend. It's kind of a lie, but it's also kind of true. Um, but sometimes my job requires me to actually do some work on the weekend. And what I have for y'all today is kind of wild. I'm hoping I don't lose my job. So let's just start with that. Right?

 

Michael Sinnott  01:19

Definitely start with that. Nothing better

 

Ryan McDevitt  01:22

than firing up a Sunday if

 

Michael Sinnott  01:24

for my personal interest you really got me interested when you said I hope I don't lose my job because of this. I'm like, wait, what what are we doing? What are we about to do here? Exactly. Now I'm listening.

 

Chris Harris  01:36

So um, I know we didn't like talk beforehand. I'm off you know OFF AIR about kind of what I was going to show you but I wanted to really just get your natural reaction when you see some of the stuff I'm dealing with at work and then we can maybe have a discussion Oh, wow, that worked for you.

 

Michael Sinnott  01:53

Well, hold on real quick Chris you got to give a five second reminder to maybe some of our guests who don't know you as well as as others do, like just give them a quick title, your synopsis or your title and role.

 

Chris Harris  02:08

Okay, well, my title is podcast host who's probably about to get fired. I was gonna say you know,

 

Michael Sinnott  02:14

where are you

 

Chris Harris  02:19

Alright, here we go. Let's roll with it. hope this works

 

Michael Sinnott  02:27

so I'm nervous because I know where Chris works I just I'm trying to like fill the sand a little bit because I don't my man here he's he's very diverse. Um, I don't know if he's messing with us or what but

 

[Intro] 

McD is all business 

I know Mike got my back 

$crilla on the track 

[Chorus] 

ConventioNOT 

What that means is unconventional 

Been in the game a few 

So comprehend what imma give to you 

Cause in an instant you 

Can turn your hustle to an institute 

I can’t stop 

I’m on top 

Because I’m ConventioNOT 

What that means is unconventional 

Been in the game a few 

So comprehend what imma give to you 

Cause in an instant you 

Can turn your hustle to an institute 

I can’t stop 

I’m on top 

Because I’m ConventioNOT 

[Verse] 

Immaculate how I be rapping it 

When I be spitting, you know that you loving it Covet it, nothing above it 

So you can go run with it 

Now let’s get back to it 

Back to the basics 

Carving out spaces 

Practice patience for situations and all vibrations I want all my eyes can see and imma beat you there I aim for variety like a sneaker head 

I’m game ready 

Keeping that thang steady 

Climbing over the dragon 

Now who wanna bang with me? 

Will you grow and change with me? 

Go through the same with? 

For those that don’t grow 

They known to remain shifty

I’m working with all I’ve got 

So when you see me, you know what I’m bout 

[Chorus] 

ConventioNOT 

What that means is unconventional 

Been in the game a few 

So comprehend what imma give to you 

Cause in an instant you 

Can turn your hustle to an institute 

I can’t stop 

I’m on top 

Because I’m ConventioNOT 

What that means is unconventional 

Been in the game a few 

So comprehend what imma give to you 

Cause in an instant you 

Can turn your hustle to an institute 

I can’t stop 

I’m on top 

Because I’m ConventioNOT 

[Verse] 

I do this for the people, people like school teachers Who think out the closet for causes that do reach us And spark the young engineers 

Who interfere with what society’s instilled in here You keep me grounded dog 

And hold me down like my yogis hitting that’s downward dog Then it’s back to business when I’m with my counterparts No sitting down, so we walking around 

Real talk, they talk about us, we the talk of the town It’s our chance, we contrast, but I ask 

That you pay attention while you listen to this podcast I’m working with all I’ve got 

So when you see me you know what I’m bout 

[Chorus] 

ConventioNOT 

What that means is unconventional 

Been in the game a few 

So comprehend what imma give to you 

Cause in an instant you

Can turn your hustle to an institute I can’t stop 

I’m on top 

Because I’m ConventioNOT 

What that means is unconventional Been in the game a few 

So comprehend what imma give to you Cause in an instant you 

Can turn your hustle to an institute I can’t stop 

I’m on top 

Because I’m ConventioNOT 

[Outro] 

Yeah 

Shoutout to Wailer 

Carter 

Anna 

Junior 

McD 

Mike 

$crilla 

Mayhem Music

 

 

Michael Sinnott  05:34

what? I don't? I don't know what to say. I'm like,

 

Chris Harris  05:40

I know that was a lot to just throw it.

 

Michael Sinnott  05:44

Move scrilla I was not ready for that at all.

 

Ryan McDevitt  05:48

I kind of thought something had happened in your life. That was a negative. And so, no, it's just the

 

Chris Harris  05:57

positive. And so what happened?

 

Ryan McDevitt  06:00

What do I think is that I teared up about the middle middle of that. So maybe maybe now that I've got myself together, I could give a little bit of an idea about what that is. So a long time ago, we started to work together, right? It's really been, it's almost been a year that we've been working together. Not Not Not Not too much. Further will be a year. And Chris, we asked him to put together an opener for the song. And I think both Mike and I realized about a month ago that we had never had such a piece of work created for ourselves. I don't know to buy a piece of artwork or to listen to a song. But man, even Carter and whaler got shout outs there.

 

Michael Sinnott  06:46

Yeah, man. Yeah, I you know, I'm rarely at a loss for words. And even when I am at a loss for words, that I just fill the space with words until I know what I was gonna say. But like, dude, my wife is not in the room right now. So she's not gonna feel jealous of like, how touched and like, dude, and not just touched emotionally. But how in the hell do you do that? How could you do that? How can you talk that fast? Like, I need to listen to that so many more times. Because my, my slow ass I caught the obvious stuff, the hook the hustle into an institute like, dude, Chris,

 

Chris Harris  07:33

I think we can play it one more time. What am I yeah,

 

Michael Sinnott  07:36

what am I supposed to say? I mean, that was good.

 

Chris Harris  07:40

So let me explain sort of like what,

 

Michael Sinnott  07:42

yeah, walk us through your process, man. How did you do that?

 

Chris Harris  07:47

So, of course, the three of us talk like multiple times throughout the week. And I can't remember if it was Ryan, or Mike that brought it up first, like, Hey, you know, just putting that that bugging year again about the song. And I got to thinking, and I had already actually started on one version of this introduction song. But then I just scrapped it. So yesterday, I just had his creative juices flowing. And I said, You know what, I'm going to write this song today. And I was driving around. And typically, I tend to write a lot of songs when I'm driving, not actually while I'm driving, but I just pull over to the side of the road. So really, you know, I was, yeah, yeah, I will pull over to the side of the road. But before I even started to write, I needed a track. And for the viewers, I have a production company with my partner Dan solo bits. It's called mayhem music. So we make a lot of songs for TV and film. And I remember there was something that we pitched to men's wearhouse they wanted this beat that kind of sounded like a roots kind of vibe. And we hadn't used it. So I was like, Yo, I'm going to use this for the convention not trapped. And instead of Dan was actually out of town, so he couldn't get me back. So I had one of my other producer friends, Billy creat recreate that actual track. So Dan was like, Yo, I can get it to you at night. But I'm like, Nah, I need it right now. So my other producer friend recreated dance work with me.

 

Michael Sinnott  09:16

I mean, that's no, that's no easy task in itself. That's absurd.

 

Chris Harris  09:23

But I got good people. You know what I'm saying? Clear, he recreates the track. And I'm just going on to drive and I'm just playing it and I'm just like, kind of humming I'm like, convinced. And then and then and then and then and then and then. And I don't have the lyrics yet. But I have, you know, the melody. So I'll make voice memos. And I'll get the lyrics. I'll pull over to the stuff out of row types. Have them sit there for a little bit. Once the juices kind of leave, start driving some more. Oh, oh, yeah. I want to say this, boom, pull over to the side of the row. And that's basically what I did yesterday for about two hours. Do you have a place

 

Michael Sinnott  10:01

you're going? Or do you literally just like drive around the neighborhoods?

 

Chris Harris  10:05

Um, I was running some errands. So I had like destinations. But that, you know, I'm driving. So the song isn't even done yet. I was probably about 40% done at this point. And I call the studio and I'm like, Hey, can I get in today? So the main guy that I go to Jim Stewart, he's not working, but his like, I guess, apprentice? I don't know. I don't think that's like disrespectful. Nate is working. And I've worked with Nate before. And it's like, yeah, you come on in. So I tell Nate, All right, I'll be there at three o'clock. But now there's like pressure. I'm like, I gotta finish this. But then

 

Ryan McDevitt  10:42

you got your appointment to go that guy music, but it's not done.

 

Chris Harris  10:46

Okay. Not done. But now that I have a time and I know, hey, I need to have this done by 233 o'clock. Pressure was on. And then I just start flowing. So that's what happened. And then when I got to the studio, I'm just feeling it. You know what I mean? I've just, I'm in the zone. And I'm like, Yo, I want y'all to not just like this song. But I want y'all to love this song. You know, I want to really take everything that convention that stands for and try to put it into a song. And that's Dude,

 

Michael Sinnott  11:18

I need the lyrics. I need it all. Like, I'm gonna

 

Chris Harris  11:22

I just text you the lyric,

 

Michael Sinnott  11:23

I'm overwhelmed. Yeah, it's this feeling that I rarely get is being overwhelmed the listeners.

 

Chris Harris  11:28

For the listeners, you'll be able to find this probably in about a week, actually, maybe now. You can find it on streaming platforms. If you search convention that just like the title of the POC. s in the artists will be mayhem music. So check it out.

 

Michael Sinnott  11:45

I just Alright, man. Like, I'll go back to the song in a second. But I just want to talk about you for a minute here. And I know you're not, you know, gonna like this. But what is wrong with you, man? Like, this is what this cat did on a Saturday. We didn't. There was no deadline. There's no expectations. Like, we talked about hustle on the show a lot. And I think sometimes we we, um, we don't do that word justice. Right. A lot of people have different interpretations of what hustle means. When we use the word hustle. It's very complimentary. Like To be clear, I never want anyone to think we're like, like, minimizing what they're doing on their weekends by calling it a side hustle or this or that. But like, I cannot wrap my head around the idea of creating something like that. In that time, if you told me you mowed 100 lawns yesterday, I'd be like, Damn, what kind of lawn mower did you have? Right, like, but, but all of that just came from you and your mind and like, collaborating with a couple other people that were clearly as gifted as you are like, dude, I just, it's like, he just showed me a magic trick. I'm not really that interested in it. Like, I want to figure it out. But I know I can't. So I'm just like, in awe. And Chris, Dude, that was like, that's the sweetest, like, most significant, like most amazing thing. I've I've had paintings done to my dog before that I love and like, but I've never had no song written about ours. Silly asses. Like, dude, I don't know what to say. I really don't know. And you didn't say basic job. Like, oh my god, I'm shaking. I

 

Chris Harris  13:35

mean, I love that you guys not only had me on here as a guest, but that you really have like, open your arms to like, include me as a new host, you know, one of the new hosts of the podcast, so it's like, Hey, man, you know, I want to just show my my gratitude and just say thanks, man, something building here. You know, I love it.

 

Michael Sinnott  13:56

I better try it a lot harder are doing so more impressive. I gotta I gotta I gotta carry my share row. Ryan. Ryan, are you going crazy right now? Like,

 

Ryan McDevitt  14:08

yeah, I can't wait to listen to it again. I know, we're I'll do another play of it for the listeners. But everybody knows that. We're just recording this live in our basements and living rooms. And so I really can't wait to break it down. I saw that those lyrics came through on the email too. And I also I heard a couple stanzas there. I can't help as the show's producer, I start to think about like, Okay, well, how would this get to play in? And so for a long time we've been using, you know, we actually had to marvelous Carter on the show, some some episodes go. And we've been using a lot of his infinite audio music. But when I listen to these super produce shows, and when I look at, we don't talk much about the numbers and we kind of have these different personalities. To be frank with our listeners where one of us cares about the numbers a ton, one of us just wants to see what the numbers are and then one of us is like, More of a content person. Now let you figure out which one is dictates themselves. However, however, what I really really was thinking about as I was listening to that is like, Oh man, I cannot wait to take stands a one, two or three to make it this kind of like blend in. So for those of our listeners today who have subscribed to us, they may or may not have noticed that there's a new episode panel, it's always been Mike and I with kind of this little kitschy fist pound thing. But today for this episode, and from now forward, we're making some changes as we go along here. And you'll see that there's a there's a new show cover out there, that includes all three of us. I lovingly call it the, you know, it's a very cartoon oriented cover, right? Yeah. So I call it the King of the Hill cover. I know you're watching. I love Mike judge shows and I watched King of the Hill kind of religiously, it holds up, by the way, always something special about a cartoon that you watch 1520 years later or share. But But man, man, I had goosebumps and then I just had tears on my cheeks. No, like, I don't know about it better way to describe that. When I was listening to it, so yeah,

 

Chris Harris  16:15

that makes that just warms my heart. Like for real. I mean, I tried to I mean, writing songs for people, organizations, whatever, like this kind of like what I do. And one of the things like I wanted to make sure that I did with this record was make sure that I like put all of us in here in some way. And not just us, but also people that are close to us, right? Yeah, no, there's some lines. And now there's talk about Yogi's, right out,

 

Michael Sinnott  16:43

and then I heard you like, talk, educate me on the dangers and

 

Chris Harris  16:48

Exactly. business. I mean, any mention of business, we know who I'm talking about, right? I talk about engineers, school teachers, right? So it's just like little things you can sprinkle in like that, that really give it that personal touch.

 

Michael Sinnott  17:05

I mean, it's it's if even if you're not my wife, I I think this is why she's still entertained by me is like she listens to music, but she doesn't listen to the lyrics. I can tell her the same story like really? Oh, yeah, yeah. I still got stories she's never heard before. And the truth is, I've told her the story like four or five times, she's just in it for the emotion, not the details. So what I'm getting at is whether you're neurotic. She doesn't listen to this episode. No, I she would hear that and be like, Yeah, no, he's right. He's right. Like, right. If you know, literally, she'll be like, if I'm focusing on the words, I don't, I don't enjoy the music as much. And I'm just like, okay, cool, like for each their own. And what I'm getting at is, whether you're neurotic, obsessive compulsive, like I kind of dabble in, and you are honing in on the words and how they come together, or just someone who like is enjoying the sound like, dude, there's that, that would be impossible to not appreciate on the first, listen, scrilla like, I just I, I can't say enough man. And I can't wait to listen to it over and over again. And like, I have to touch on something here because Ryan mentioned the new artwork. And if you don't mind, I'd love to share that process. Talk about that a little bit.

 

Ryan McDevitt  18:25

Yeah, and not do this episode is about the new OS, right?

 

Michael Sinnott  18:28

Yeah, this is. Um, so what you just got what you just got is like, you know, I don't know when when someone close to you, who knows you very well share something about you like that's, there's some intimacy there, right. And also some pressure. So like, I do want to say, Chris, how brave you are, for curating something about us and then sharing it in that manner. Like, a, I don't know if anyone out there knows it. But Ryan and I are not the easiest judges. And we're not that like, we're not super shy with our opinions about things. So Chris, I love you, man. And thank you so much for doing that and sharing that with us in that way you doubt? Hmm, I give that preamble because we've also in the artwork realm. And to be clear, I'm very, very happy with what's been created. But there's a huge difference in creating something with someone who does not know you at all. All right, and like clearly, we're not trying to put anything out on the show that looks like you know, we got it at the corner store. Um, so it takes a while to develop a relationship where you're trying to like, introduce some nuances, especially when it comes to illustrating three human beings. So, I'm gonna shout out there's a there's an app called fire. It's f IV, e rr, I think is how you find it. I think the the premise of this app, it's that Craigslist, it's a little bit more specific to like artists and kind of creative types. And they may do other stuff on there. But to be honest, you go on there, and you say, Hey, this is what I need done, you know, like, I want a portrait of my wife painted. And someone will, someone will be like, I'll do it for 15 bucks. So it's a really cool, like, open marketplace. Um, but as you can imagine that that opens things up, across the whole world, across, you know, every demographic. And from my experience, there tends to be a lot of people in other places that are willing to do like, really incredible artwork for very, very cheap. So I'm interested, you know, yeah, I'll do that I'll sign up for that. Well, what you don't appreciate is that in entering that, there's no clarity on exactly what your native, you know, your native language is going to be, um, exactly like, how, how high your expectations are going to be. So you have to kind of work through all that. And you know, you're working through all that digitally, you know, usually by text, that's actually this fiber app. It's incredibly, I'm just gonna say controlling, and that it creates its own, like social space, where you text and you message within the app. And if you text, if you if you text, something along the lines of, hey, email me, it will immediately flag you and say you're not allowed to communicate via email or any any way outside of Fiverr. So it's very like, which to me is I like that. To me. That's a it's a layer of safety. Um, but it's been about three weeks since I started this and mind you, I'm on my third fiber artists, because the first two I'm just gonna say it didn't work out. Let's just say it's probably me not. It's probably me, Matt, them. But the third artist,

 

Ryan McDevitt  22:09

it's an international service to write my question.

 

Michael Sinnott  22:11

Yeah, I mean, that I thought I kind of like, which kind of mentioned, but I didn't want to say like, yeah, yeah,

 

Ryan McDevitt  22:18

we're I'm getting it. India is fair to talk about that. There seems to be

 

Michael Sinnott  22:24

a market artists in India. Okay. I don't really know about the Philippines, but there's definitely a concentration in a very different time zone. Let's say that. I want both those markets. Yeah, I mean, and you do you do this much more regularly than I do. And this is a perfect like snapshot of the show. Let's have the guy who never deals with this stuff. Who knows nothing about artwork. Let's have Mike handle the artwork for the for the show. So you volunteered, bro? I did volunteer because that's doing a great job. I'm scared and I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah, I'll go first. I'll do this first. Um, and I'm not trying to sound brave. I'm trying to sound like, reckless. Um, let's just say that about 15. At least 15 iterations later. Um, yeah, we've got a little King of the Hill cover that I'm, I mean, I don't know if I can. Well, I don't need to share it with you guys. Here. I got the final revision last night. I'm excited about it. I think it turned out well, so not only am I gonna like give my huge audible clapping to my buddy over in India, who just goes by graphes Studio. So crappy, we're gonna get you some love. Don't worry, buddy, who's just been a sweetheart to deal with. Anyone who sticks with Mike for this long is just a sweetheart. It's amazing. You too included, my wife gets the top metal but this guy did a lot for not a ton of money. And I just can't say enough about the like, I've been kind of like, you know, bitchy about it. But when all of a sudden done the amount of effort and work and like revisions, as gentlemen put into this work for the you know, the money. I'd like to I'd like to give them a bonus to be honest. Because it really is just it like the idea of that open space, like the open market where you can just get someone to do something for you. That's a very different conversation. Um, but it was a learning process for me. You know, I'm used to going into these things with a little bit more like, Where's your website? Where's yours? Send me your CV, like, what college Did you like? I'm just, I'm used to people kind of put me through that grinder. And unfortunately, sometimes I project that on to others. So it's good for me to like step away from that. To deal with some other like, people that have very different backgrounds than me, like not just culturally, but professionally as well. So yeah, that was you guys will see. And I think you'll get get a kick out of it we I mean, there were some iterations throughout that like, I'm not, maybe I'll share it, we'll share those at some point. But I don't want to like I don't want to. I don't want to disrespect the artist. What what I'm pointing out here is that there's just nuances. Right? And like those nuances are, Chris, you're laughing harder? Because I don't know, do you want to? Do you want to use a different word to describe some of the like, just use some stuff where you didn't think you'd have to like clarify it.

 

Chris Harris  25:45

You know, two of us are white, one of us is black and earlier versions and look like two of us were black skin.

 

Ryan McDevitt  25:55

Would you nickname the version of me?

 

26:02

We got here this one

 

Ryan McDevitt  26:03

culturally culturally agnostic, the Joe Ryan could be any

 

Chris Harris  26:09

word that was my joke. That was

 

Michael Sinnott  26:11

that was gonna say Chris said it first. Chris said at first I said it, and I laughed. I laughed my ass off. I'm sorry. But it was one of these situations where you're just like, hmm, I'm not really clear on why you went in that direction. Yeah, I actually and this is, this is the type of stuff where my weird head works where like, if I knew this artist, I'd be like so. So why did you make Ryan black? You know, straight up like, was it the picture we said or was it like, was this a little flair you were putting into it? But like, No, I just I was a little bit more direct. And I the first time I was actually subtle. I was like, I think do me a favor, go and double check those pictures I sent you. The skin tones need to be corrected a little bit i think is how I set it. But then when that didn't do it because I got another one back and it was like, wait a minute. No, you're correcting in the wrong direction. Like no wait. I had to I had to write him back and say like, Sorry, brother. But one of these. One of us is one of us is black and two of us are white in the tones of the figures right now. They're not they're inconsistent with that. When I pointed that out, when I pointed that out, it came back corrected really, really quick. But it was just one of those things that I honestly in my head I'm like I love this artists man. He don't see he don't see any color like that. They're like that he didn't even notice it. It's beautiful.

 

Ryan McDevitt  27:51

I think you did a phenomenal job. You did a phenomenal job even if you didn't get my melanin right the first time to

 

Michael Sinnott  27:58

know sure I am great. Ryan will forever be in our hearts. Um, you know and I have the visual to forever be on my phone to

 

Ryan McDevitt  28:09

like me after far too many weeks on vacation and somewhere

 

Chris Harris  28:16

so look, I mean, we got the new artwork, we got the new song. I'm thinking to close the song to close the show out we play the song One more time. What do y'all think? I like it. I like it. I think this is a nice short sweet episode. That That sounds phenomenal.

 

Ryan McDevitt  28:30

Yes Do it. Alright, so know where to find us as Chris gets that queued up it's at convention not underscore podcast. I guess technically this is season four we got rid of the seasons we're starting to number the episodes now so you could kind of see there are many many hours that you could listen to. But let's check the song just one more time we'll close it out with that one more time. Love it

 

[Intro] 

McD is all business 

I know Mike got my back 

$crilla on the track 

[Chorus] 

ConventioNOT 

What that means is unconventional 

Been in the game a few 

So comprehend what imma give to you 

Cause in an instant you 

Can turn your hustle to an institute 

I can’t stop 

I’m on top 

Because I’m ConventioNOT 

What that means is unconventional 

Been in the game a few 

So comprehend what imma give to you 

Cause in an instant you 

Can turn your hustle to an institute 

I can’t stop 

I’m on top 

Because I’m ConventioNOT 

[Verse] 

Immaculate how I be rapping it 

When I be spitting, you know that you loving it Covet it, nothing above it 

So you can go run with it 

Now let’s get back to it 

Back to the basics 

Carving out spaces 

Practice patience for situations and all vibrations I want all my eyes can see and imma beat you there I aim for variety like a sneaker head 

I’m game ready 

Keeping that thang steady 

Climbing over the dragon 

Now who wanna bang with me? 

Will you grow and change with me? 

Go through the same with? 

For those that don’t grow 

They known to remain shifty

I’m working with all I’ve got 

So when you see me, you know what I’m bout 

[Chorus] 

ConventioNOT 

What that means is unconventional 

Been in the game a few 

So comprehend what imma give to you 

Cause in an instant you 

Can turn your hustle to an institute 

I can’t stop 

I’m on top 

Because I’m ConventioNOT 

What that means is unconventional 

Been in the game a few 

So comprehend what imma give to you 

Cause in an instant you 

Can turn your hustle to an institute 

I can’t stop 

I’m on top 

Because I’m ConventioNOT 

[Verse] 

I do this for the people, people like school teachers Who think out the closet for causes that do reach us And spark the young engineers 

Who interfere with what society’s instilled in here You keep me grounded dog 

And hold me down like my yogis hitting that’s downward dog Then it’s back to business when I’m with my counterparts No sitting down, so we walking around 

Real talk, they talk about us, we the talk of the town It’s our chance, we contrast, but I ask 

That you pay attention while you listen to this podcast I’m working with all I’ve got 

So when you see me you know what I’m bout 

[Chorus] 

ConventioNOT 

What that means is unconventional 

Been in the game a few 

So comprehend what imma give to you 

Cause in an instant you

Can turn your hustle to an institute I can’t stop 

I’m on top 

Because I’m ConventioNOT 

What that means is unconventional Been in the game a few 

So comprehend what imma give to you Cause in an instant you 

Can turn your hustle to an institute I can’t stop 

I’m on top 

Because I’m ConventioNOT 

[Outro] 

Yeah 

Shoutout to Wailer 

Carter 

Anna 

Junior 

McD 

Mike 

$crilla 

Mayhem Music