317 - Power Isn’t the Problem—It’s How We Use It with Francine Proulx-Kenzle
Conversations With a Wounded Healer
Release Date: 05/06/2026
Conversations With a Wounded Healer
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Why therapists need compassionate curiosity, not fear, when talking about suicide. Suicidal thoughts or suicidal ideation (SI), like the emotions that swirl around it, is a source of information. That perspective-altering declaration comes from my guest, Sally Spencer-Thomas, Ph.D. She's a brilliant, internationally recognized suicide prevention leader who lost her beloved brother to suicide. Sally urges cautious mental health professionals (and worried friends/family members tbh) to build their capacity for curiosity around suicide and SI. Together, Sarah and Sally explore how clinicians can...
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Sarah shares an episode from a podcast (and therapist) she'd like to introduce you to: with Sivie Suckerman In this episode of Therapists Unchained, Sivie interviews Sharon Harper, a licensed clinical social worker and founder of the Therapist Resource Institute (TRI). The conversation explores the necessity of reclaiming professional autonomy and building sustainable careers through authentic human connection and systemic advocacy, while also delving into the Therapist Resource Institute as a national platform designed to unify mental health professionals across all licenses and career...
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What if the future of therapy asks clinicians to stop checking their humanity at the door? I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: There’s a gap between the world we were trained for as therapists and the world we find ourselves in now. And here to explore that gap with compassion, curiosity, and a dose of reality is relational therapist, writer, mentor, and founder of Venus + Legacy, Josie Rosario. Keep listening if you are curious about: The evolving role of the therapist to meet the needs of today’s clients Therapists doing their own healing work and examining one’s...
info_outlineWhat if power isn’t something to avoid—but something to learn? Francine Proulx-Kenzle and Sarah Buino explore sociocracy, personal power, burnout, and how early childhood experiences shape the way we show up in systems.
I’m going to say something that might make a few therapists squirm: power is not the enemy. And yet… so many of us act like it is.
In this conversation with Francine Proulx-Kenzle, I kept coming back to a core truth that I think we—especially in the therapy world—need to hear again and again: power simply exists. What matters is how we relate to it.
Key takeaways from this episode:
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Power isn’t something you have or don’t have—it’s something you learn to use
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Avoiding power often leads to recreating the same harmful dynamics
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Burnout is often a sign of disconnection from your own needs and agency
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Systems like sociocracy show us what shared, humane power can look like
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Healing isn’t about becoming perfect—it’s about staying in relationship with your humanity
If there’s one thing I want you to take from this conversation, it’s this: you don’t have to reject power to be a good person. You just have to learn how to use it differently. And that work starts with you.
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