A Man Named Beef

Hello! And welcome to season 15 of the Dana Gould Hour Podcast. Fasten your enthusiasm harness, we are blasting off again.

Mark Malkoff has a new book entitled Love, Johnny Carson: One Obsessive Fan’s Journey To Find The Genius Behind The Legend.

Johnny Carson is so larger than life now it’s important to sometimes take a step back and appreciate his accomplishment. Unlike today, when there are 8,000 channels, and three network late night talk shows. Johnny Carson hosted The Tonight Show when there were around ten channels total and one, count ’em, one late night talk show, which he hosted for 30 years. He interviewed over 25,000 guests, navigated America’s cultural conversation from President Kennedy through President Clinton.

Mark’s book covers the debuts of then-unknown comedians who are now household names. He talks about Johnny’s feuds, and he had some. There were periods of time when William Shatner and Orson Welles were banned from the show. But Mark’s book is very affectionate. It’s honest without being exploitive. It dishes a lot of dirt but it’s never bitchy, I can’t recommend it enough. Mark Malkoff. Right here. In the human flesh. 

The second interview is with two dudes who have written extensively about two films from a very special time in American cinema-going. Back in the 70’s, you see, before cable and VHS tapes and streaming, if you wanted to see a movie, you had to wait and catch it on television. And if you wanted to see it uncut, you had to find it playing in a movie theater. And that’s it.

Because of this, more people went to more movies more often. And, since this was before multiplexes, movie theaters were more random. You didn’t have 16 screens in one building. You had sixteen different movie theaters scattered around town. 

John Gaspar has written a book about a very strange event at one such theater in one of my favorite cities in the goddamn world, and yours too, Minneapolis, Minnesota. The book is called Held Over: Harold And Maude At The Westgate Theater and it tells the story of Hal Ashby’s 1971 black comedy Harold and Maude, that starred Ruth Gordon and Bud Cort, that ran for two years at the Westgate in the Minneapolis suburb of Edina. The film ran for so long, the neighbors protested, demanding a new movie! It’s a terrific book about what movie going in America used to be like, before the multiplexes took over.

John and I are joined by Ari Kahan, who is the archivist of The Swan Archives, which is I can best describe as a labyrinthine database covering all things pertaining to 1974’s Brian DePalma cult classic, Phantom Of The Paradise.

Don’t know too much about Phantom Of The Paradise you say? No worries, you will by the time we get there, True Tales From Weirdsville takes us on a deep dive inside that mid 70’s glam-rock Faustian gem, Phantom Of The Paradise.