Ep 3: Civic Bravery
In the Meanwhile
In this episode Nora and Marcus dive headfirst into the dystopian text thread we’re all living in: ICE raids in broad daylight, masked agents snatching people off the streets, media complicity, and the federal government going full “authoritarian starter pack.” But rather than stew in our fear, today’s guests offer pragmatic lessons about what we face and what can be done. Professor Angelina Godoy, a human rights scholar, breaks down how U.S. immigration enforcement is veering into the territory of international crimes, and Principal Jamie Cook describes how her small-town school...
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Ep 2: Rupture
In the Meanwhile
Five years after a global pandemic, historic protests, and social rupture, where are we now—and what have we forgotten? In this episode, Nora and Marcus Harrison Green dive into the lingering impacts of 2020, from fractured families to the backlash against empathy itself. With humor, honesty, and a touch of John Mayer fandom, they explore how we hold memory, process grief, and dare to vision something better in a nation that feels like a group project where half the class didn’t show up. This is an episode about collective endurance, radical imagination, and finding joy, however strange or...
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Ep 1: Welcome
In the Meanwhile
Welcome to the premiere of In the Meanwhile—a podcast for anyone trying to survive the slow-motion apocalypse without losing their soul (or their sense of humor). Professor Nora Kenworthy and journalist Marcus Harrison Green kick things off with a candid, funny, and heartfelt conversation about what it means to live through this messy in-between era—where the old world is collapsing, the new one isn’t here yet, and the group chat is full of existential dread. Born out of pandemic grief, political exhaustion, and the need to build something meaningful, this first episode explores what it...
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In The Meanwhile Trailer
In the Meanwhile
The old world is collapsing. The new one hasn’t arrived. And in between? There’s grief, confusion, burnout—and the possibility for something better. Welcome to , a weekly podcast hosted by public health scholar Nora Kenworthy and journalist Marcus Harrison Green. No hot takes. No empty platitudes. No easy hope. Just real talk about how we hold onto our humanity, build something better—and maybe even laugh along the way. Bring snacks. Bring questions. Bring critical thinking skills—they’ve been in a coma since 1997. We’re figuring this out together.
info_outlineFive years after a global pandemic, historic protests, and social rupture, where are we now—and what have we forgotten? In this episode, Nora and Marcus Harrison Green dive into the lingering impacts of 2020, from fractured families to the backlash against empathy itself. With humor, honesty, and a touch of John Mayer fandom, they explore how we hold memory, process grief, and dare to vision something better in a nation that feels like a group project where half the class didn’t show up. This is an episode about collective endurance, radical imagination, and finding joy, however strange or small, while still stuck in the “meanwhile.” If you’ve ever wondered why things feel both over and still happening then this one’s for you.
Mentioned in the episode:
Pew Poll on impacts of pandemic | Affective Polarization | Reply All - “The Least You Could Do” | Nudibranchs | 1M Experiments | Nancy Pelosi in her Kente Cloth
Further reading / Listening:
Marcus’ piece on the Othello BLM march in 2020 | Nora’s research on mutual aid networks | Arundhati Roy @ Financial Times | You’re Wrong About podcast on losing relatives to FoxNews and QAnon
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Music: No Tears for a Wolf · Ahamefule J. Oluo · Okanomodé. Used with permission.
Logo by Nikki Barron.