The Friends We Make In Grief
Grief Out Loud
When Cassie arrived at Dougy Center for her first peer grief support group for young adults after her dad died, she sat in the parking lot wondering if she could even walk inside. When she did, she found people her age who understood what it meant to have a parent die - people who would end up shaping her life in ways she never imagined. In this episode, Cassie talks about how grief changed her, what it was like to find community in a peer support group, and how those friendships continue to support her years later. Now, as a volunteer facilitator in a peer grief support group for children,...
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Caring For The Caregivers
Grief Out Loud
When you’re grieving, “Take care of yourself,” might be the last thing you want to hear. So what does self-care actually look like for a parent or caregiver who is grieving? Rebecca Hobbs-Lawrence, MA, who coordinates the Pathways Program at Dougy Center for families facing an advanced serious illness, joins us to share practical tools for caregivers who are trying to balance taking care of others with tending to themselves, along with crucial advice for friends and family who want to provide truly...
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Mourning Air - Leena Magdi On Grieving Her Brother And Her Homeland
Grief Out Loud
When Leena Magdi’s younger brother, Hamoodi, was killed, her world shifted entirely. In her debut book , Leena explores how grief reshapes identity, faith, and love. In this conversation, Leena shares what it meant and means to be Hamoodi’s sister, how sibling grief is often dismissed, and how writing helps her navigate the grief. Leena also shares about her family’s forced displacement after war broke out in Sudan less than a year after Hamoodi’s death - and how she’s learning to grieve both her brother and her home. We discuss: What it means to be a sister after a sibling...
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Grieving A Sudden Or Unexpected Death With Dr. Jennifer Levin
Grief Out Loud
When someone you know dies suddenly, everything changes in an instant. The world you once knew can feel unfamiliar and unsafe, and finding your way back to even the smallest sense of stability can feel impossible. In this episode, we talk with , therapist, educator, podcast host, and author of . Jennifer specializes in supporting people grieving sudden or unexpected deaths that can completely upend how we see the world and shift our sense of safety. We discuss: The differences and overlap between the terms: sudden, unexpected, and traumatic How grief affects the...
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Grief Is Forever, But So Is Love: Tiriq Rashad On Loss & Creativity
Grief Out Loud
When , artist, poet, and performer, sits down to write, he’s not just telling his own story - he’s carrying his daughter, his brother, and his mother with him. In this conversation, Tiriq shares the layered ways grief has shaped who he is: from the death of his first child before she was born, to growing up caring for his brother who lived with cerebral palsy and autism, to the sudden death of his mother. Through it all, Tiriq’s foundation in caregiving, service, and community continues to guide him - both in his personal life and in his art. His new album, Kiss My Art, is...
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Now I’m An Adult Orphan: Tyler Feder On Dancing At The Pity Party, Again
Grief Out Loud
When was 19, her mom died of cancer, an experience she captured years later in her bestselling graphic memoir . In the years since, Tyler has described herself as a “dead mom person” - reflecting just how much of her life was shaped by the death of her mother. But this past winter, Tyler’s dad also died, adding a new aspect to her identity, this time as an adult orphan. In this episode, we discuss: The contrast between her parents’ personalities – mom (quiet, creative, cat-like), dad (gregarious, emotional, dog-like) - and which of those aspects Tyler carries...
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Rabbit Heart - A Mother's Murder, A Daughter's Story
Grief Out Loud
In 1986, when was eight years old, her mother was abducted, sexually assaulted, and murdered in Oklahoma. Decades later, Kristine tells her story in , a memoir weaves together her fragmented childhood memories, growing up with grief, and then as an adult, reckoning with the painful details of her mother's death. The course of the book shifts when there is a break in the cold case of her mother's murder, leading to a trial and eventual conviction of Kyle Eckhart, one of the men responsible. In this conversation Kristine reflects on what it means to grieve for her mother and for the violent way...
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Relief With Some Grief - When An Abusive Parent Dies
Grief Out Loud
When someone dies, the story is often one of sadness, longing, and loss. But what happens when the person who died was also someone who caused great harm? For Kathy, who was sexually and emotionally abused by her father, his death when she was 11 brought more relief than grief. In this conversation, Kathy shares how her early experiences with grief and trauma shaped her path as a social worker and volunteer, including her current work with teens and tweens who are grieving. We explore: What it was like to have her dad die while carrying the painful secret about his abuse...
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Befriending Grief: Why She's Your Guide, Not Your Enemy – Dr. Jamie Eaddy
Grief Out Loud
How do we move from seeing grief as something to fix or overcome, to understanding it as a lifelong companion and guide? In this conversation with Rev. educator, death doula, founder of , and creative force behind she invites us to reimagine grief as a friend who helps us navigate loss, change, and transition. Drawing from her personal lineage of grief through the deaths of her grandmother, cousin, and uncle, Dr. J. shares how these experiences shaped her work supporting individuals and communities, especially those living at the intersections of marginalization and oppression. ...
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One Last Stroller Walk - Navigating Pet Loss
Grief Out Loud
Welcome to a special "podcast takeover" episode. This week, , creator of and , steps in to interview Jana. Their conversation centers on Jana's beloved Boston Terrier, Captain, who died in December 2024 at the age of 15. Lindsey understands this heartache well, as her own sweet dog, Birch, died in May 2022. As a skilled interviewer and a thoughtful friend in grief, Lindsey was the perfect person to explore Jana's experience of loving and grieving for Captain. Together, Lindsey and Jana delve into how Captain came into Jana's life, the complexities of caregiving for an aging...
info_outlineIn this episode of Grief Out Loud, we welcome back Carla Fernandez, co-founder of The Dinner Party, to talk about her new book, Renegade Grief, in which she explores the question: "Now what? What are we supposed to do after someone dies?" Carla reflects on the death of her father, the unconventional paths she’s taken to process her grief, and how The Dinner Party came together from a desire to create non-traditional spaces for young adults navigating loss.
In this conversation we delve into the dominant narratives around grief — and how the few that do exist may not fit for most of us. From potluck meals to altar building, Carla shares creative ways people can honor their grief and build community at the same time.
We discuss:
- The inspiration behind Renegade Grief and why Carla wished this book existed when her dad died.
- How traditional grief support spaces often don’t work for young adults.
- The origin story of The Dinner Party, and how one dinner with friends who “get it” can change everything.
- Why food, memory, and grief are so deeply intertwined.
- The myth that grief gets “easier after the first year” — and why year two can be even harder.
- Grief rituals and care practices for both early grief and the long haul.
- Creating identity-based grief spaces, like LGBTQ+ and BIPOC tables, and why specificity matters in grief support.
- Finding joy, creativity, and unexpected connection through grief (without forced positivity).
Carla Fernandez is the co-founder of The Dinner Party, a community-driven organization that brings together grieving young adults for potluck dinners and meaningful conversations about life after loss. Her new book, Renegade Grief, is a practical and heartfelt guide to building personal rituals and support networks that meet you where you are — not where society says you should be.
Resources Mentioned:
- Renegade Grief (out March 11, 2025)
- The Dinner Party - Peer grief support for 20 to 45 year-olds
- The Grieving Brain by Mary-Frances O’Connor
- The Smell of Rain on Dust by Martín Prechtel
- The Death of My Two Fathers - Documentary by Sol Guy
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