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Elaine Zelby on AI and Marketing: Lessons in Operational Scaling

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Release Date: 07/10/2025

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Buckle up for a marketing revolution! 🚀 Elaine Zelby, Tofu's co-founder and CRO, drops bombshell hot takes on Revenue Blind Spots, revealing:

  • Why marketing teams should get variable pay
  • How AI can personalize marketing for 1000 accounts instantly 
  • The counterintuitive truth about data and attribution

From VC to startup founder, Elaine unpacks the secrets of revenue leadership that will transform how you think about go-to-market strategies. Prepare for insights that challenge everything you know about marketing and sales!

Revenue Blindspots is brought to you by Otter.ai. To learn more, visit https://get.otter.ai/samjacobs/