loader from loading.io

BONUS EPISODE: Rant on the Amy Porterfield Jenna Kutcher Drama

The Experienced Entrepreneur

Release Date: 01/08/2026

MISTAKE: Stop Chasing Every Trend, It Won't Grow Your Business show art MISTAKE: Stop Chasing Every Trend, It Won't Grow Your Business

The Experienced Entrepreneur

If you've been feeling like you're treading water, maintaining the status quo, and wondering why growth still feels so hard, this episode is going to reframe everything. Marissa makes the case for why trend-chasing is the mistake that's actually keeping you from growing, and why the entrepreneurs who are growing right now aren't the ones chasing the next platform or strategy. They're the ones going inward, doubling down on what's working, and cutting the fluff. She introduces the beaker analogy for the four levers (lead acquisition, lead nurture, sales and conversions, lifestyle) and...

info_outline
Hidden Skills you Build During the Growth Stage of Business show art Hidden Skills you Build During the Growth Stage of Business

The Experienced Entrepreneur

What if the work you're doing right now in growth stage is building the competencies you'll need for the next twenty years of business? In this episode, Marissa breaks down the hidden skills you're developing in growth stage that are quieter and harder to measure than the visible skills you built in the early years. She explains why build stage teaches you what to sell while growth stage teaches you how to lead, why you're learning to see patterns in your data instead of just numbers, and why the resilience you're building now is about identity, not just bouncing back from failure. You'll...

info_outline
Settling In Is Not the Same as Settling: Why Growth Stage Entrepreneurs Become Magnetic show art Settling In Is Not the Same as Settling: Why Growth Stage Entrepreneurs Become Magnetic

The Experienced Entrepreneur

Episode Summary What if the most powerful thing you could do to grow your business right now isn't chasing more, but settling into what you've already built? In this episode, Marissa makes the case for why settling in is not the same as settling, and why growth stage entrepreneurs who commit to refining what they've built become magnetic. She breaks down the difference between chasing (scattered, reactive energy) and attracting (grounded, intentional energy), and why your ideal clients can feel the difference. You'll hear why the industry doesn't celebrate growth stage (there's no money in...

info_outline
From Guessing to Hypothesizing: You're the Scientist Now show art From Guessing to Hypothesizing: You're the Scientist Now

The Experienced Entrepreneur

You know what you sell, who buys it, and how to deliver it. But there's a gap between where your business is and how you're showing up to lead it. In this episode, Marissa introduces the petri dish analogy that changes everything: in build stage, you're inside the petri dish as one of the variables in the experiment. In growth stage, you become the scientist running the experiment. She breaks down why taking responsibility for your business doesn't mean you can't acknowledge external factors, it means you stop using them as excuses. You'll hear about the three barriers that keep entrepreneurs...

info_outline
From Fluke to Framework: the Kay to Repeatable Results in your Business show art From Fluke to Framework: the Kay to Repeatable Results in your Business

The Experienced Entrepreneur

What if the success you've been calling luck is actually a system you built without realizing it? In this episode, Marissa tackles the "fluke mindset" that keeps experienced entrepreneurs stuck in build stage thinking even when they're years into business. She breaks down why dismissing your wins as accidents keeps you from investigating the patterns that actually drive your results, and why shifting from "fluke thinking" to "framework thinking" is the first step in becoming a growth stage entrepreneur. You'll hear about the CEO shift that happens when you stop attributing success to timing...

info_outline
You're Not Ready to You're Not Ready to "Scale" Your Business, Here's What to do Instead

The Experienced Entrepreneur

If you're making money online, you probably think the next step in your business is to scale. Well, this episode is going to shift your entire perspective. Marissa breaks down the three stages of business (build, grow, scale) and explains why most entrepreneurs skip the growth stage entirely, jumping straight from build to scale and breaking everything in the process. She introduces the industry lie that once you're making money, it's time to scale, and explains why growth stage (the unsexy, unglamorous stage of analyzing and optimizing) is the foundation that makes sustainable scaling...

info_outline
Cash Runway, Gross Profit & Financial Strategy with Kristen Hillman show art Cash Runway, Gross Profit & Financial Strategy with Kristen Hillman

The Experienced Entrepreneur

Cash reserves, gross profit, and knowing whether you're building an enterprise or an owner-driven business might sound like advanced financial concepts, but according to Kristen Hillman of Veticula Financial, they're the foundational metrics every growth-stage entrepreneur needs to understand. In this episode of The Experienced Entrepreneur, Marissa Lawton sits down with Kristen to unpack the "golden triangle" of financial advisors (CPA, wealth planner, and fractional CFO), why your cash runway should include your own pay (not just operating costs), and how to navigate the current "trust...

info_outline
A Peek Inside the My Favorite Metric Summit show art A Peek Inside the My Favorite Metric Summit

The Experienced Entrepreneur

This week on The Experienced Entrepreneur, we're doing something a little different. The My Favorite Metric summit kicked off this week, and if you've been curious about what it's all about, this episode gives you a full look inside. Marissa walks you through the structure of the five-day event, who it's designed for (spoiler: growth-stage entrepreneurs, not newbies), and why she built it without the typical summit pressure tactics like disappearing content or forced upsells. You'll hear about the four themed days covering lead acquisition, engagement, sales and profit, and lifestyle metrics,...

info_outline
The Metrics Myth Keeping Entrepreneurs in the Dark show art The Metrics Myth Keeping Entrepreneurs in the Dark

The Experienced Entrepreneur

If you've ever said "I'm just not a numbers person" — this episode is going to gently, but firmly, challenge that. For experienced entrepreneurs, the belief that metrics are complicated, cold, or designed for someone else is one of the most costly myths in business. Not because tracking is hard, but because the story we tell ourselves about it keeps us from accessing the clearest signal our business has to offer. In this episode of The Experienced Entrepreneur, Marissa Lawton breaks down where the "I'm not a metrics person" identity actually comes from, what it's quietly costing you in...

info_outline
Human-Centered Sales in a Post-Algorithm Market - with Megan Smyth show art Human-Centered Sales in a Post-Algorithm Market - with Megan Smyth

The Experienced Entrepreneur

In this episode of The Experienced Entrepreneur, Marissa Lawton sits down with Megan Smyth to unpack what’s actually working in sales right now — and why many experienced business owners are quietly moving away from social media–dependent strategies. Megan shares the story of losing every copywriting client in a single week and how that moment forced her to confront a hard truth: relying on referrals without a system is not a strategy. Instead of doubling down on platforms she hated, Megan rebuilt her sales process around what felt sustainable, human, and repeatable — and went on to...

info_outline
 
More Episodes

Bonus Episode: The Market Shift, “Dead” Business Models, and What’s Actually Changing

In this spontaneous bonus episode of The Experienced Entrepreneur, Marissa Lawton shares an unscripted, candid reflection on the current market shift and the growing narrative that “courses are dead,” “podcasts are dead,” or that entire business models are suddenly no longer viable.

Drawing on more than a decade of experience in online business, formal business education, and firsthand work across industries like real estate and mental health, Marissa brings much-needed context, nuance, and perspective to a conversation that’s often dominated by fear-based headlines and clickbait marketing.

This episode is not about declaring what’s over. It’s about naming what has actually changed.

Marissa speaks directly to the wave of commentary circulating around well-known educators and creators like Amy Porterfield and Jenna Kutcher, whose long-standing business models are often used as “proof” that courses, podcasts, or education-based businesses no longer work. Instead of participating in takedown culture or oversimplified conclusions, Marissa invites listeners to look more closely at what’s really happening beneath the surface.

She explains why the last few years felt unusually easy for many business owners, how the economic expansion of 2020–2022 distorted expectations, and why today’s contraction is exposing gaps in sales skill, business acumen, and strategic discernment. The issue is not that trusted educators or proven models suddenly failed. The issue is that the ease with which people used to buy has changed.

As purchasing power tightens and buyers become more thoughtful, success now requires stronger positioning, deeper trust, clearer leadership, and a willingness to re-engage with the fundamentals of running a business rather than relying on momentum alone. Businesses built during or optimized for an anomalous market are now being asked to mature.

Throughout the episode, Marissa draws parallels between the online business space and more established industries like real estate and therapy, showing how cyclical markets, regional differences, and skill development play out across sectors. She reframes today’s challenges not as a collapse, but as a return to reality — one where staying power matters more than trends.

The takeaway is clear: courses aren’t dead, podcasts aren’t dead, and education-based businesses aren’t disappearing. What is fading is the era of passive promises, thin differentiation, and selling without depth.

This conversation is especially relevant for experienced business owners who feel unsettled by slower sales, longer decision cycles, or shifting buyer behavior and are questioning whether the problem is their offer or something larger at play.

In this episode, Marissa explores:

  • Why calling entire business models “dead” oversimplifies a much larger market shift

  • How well-known educators are often unfairly used as symbols for broader industry fear

  • What’s actually disappearing in the online business space and why it feels destabilizing

  • How economic contraction and headline culture are influencing buyer behavior

  • Why sales skill and business acumen matter more now than ever

  • How to stop personalizing market shifts and start responding strategically

  • What it really takes to build staying power in this season of business

If you’ve felt shaken by recent changes or tempted to believe that the path forward has vanished, this episode offers clarity, reassurance, and a grounded reframe of what’s actually being asked of experienced entrepreneurs now.

Your next chapter doesn’t demand panic or reinvention. It asks for discernment, skill, and leadership rooted in reality.

Your business is steadier than the hustle, wiser than the hacks, and clearer than the guesswork.