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REPLAY: EBB 262 – Advocacy During Birth and Navigating a Hospital Stay for Newborn Jaundice with Emily Chandler and Taylor Washburn, EBB Childbirth Class Graduates

Evidence Based Birth®

Release Date: 01/29/2025

Special Announcement - August with Team EBB show art Special Announcement - August with Team EBB

Evidence Based Birth®

Welcome to a special announcement episode of the Evidence Based Birth® Podcast! This August, we’re celebrating the incredible people who make up Team EBB. Each Wednesday, you’ll hear directly from team members as they share their experiences and expertise. Listen on your favorite podcast app or watch full episodes on our YouTube channel, and be sure to follow us on Instagram (@ebbirth) for even more behind-the-scenes stories and updates throughout August. Watch full episodes on Follow us on Instagram for behind-the-scenes stories and team updates       For more...

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REPLAY: EBB 216 - The Evidence on Prenatal Perineal Massage for Preventing Tears in Childbirth with Dr. Rebecca Dekker show art REPLAY: EBB 216 - The Evidence on Prenatal Perineal Massage for Preventing Tears in Childbirth with Dr. Rebecca Dekker

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Curious if prenatal perineal massage actually works to prevent tears during childbirth? In this episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker examines the evidence on perineal massage in late pregnancy, separating fact from fiction and sharing what the research really shows. You’ll learn what major studies say about perineal massage, why some commonly cited research may not be trustworthy, and whether this practice is truly necessary, especially if you’re in a birth setting with low episiotomy rates. You’ll also hear some surprising insights on other ways to protect your perineum and reduce your risk of...

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Carson Meyer, doula, certified nutrition consultant, and author of Growing Together, joins Dr. Rebecca Dekker for a conversation about reclaiming the sacred, intuitive, and evidence-based aspects of pregnancy, birth, and postpartum. Carson shares how she stepped into birth work at a young age, driven by a desire to transform a system that can leave parents disempowered and unsupported. She opens up about her own home birth experience, the spiritual preparation that carried her through, and the tools she now teaches others through her virtual Growing Together Circles. Together, Carson and Dr....

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In today’s episode, we’re revisiting an inspiring birth story featuring Emily Chandler and Taylor Washburn, graduates of the Evidence Based Birth®️® Childbirth Class. They share their journey of navigating an informed and empowered hospital birth experience, along with the challenges they faced during an extended hospital stay for their newborn’s jaundice diagnosis.
 
Emily, a marine scientist, and Taylor, a teacher and rowing coach in the Boston area, enjoy an active lifestyle filled with hiking, biking, and rowing. While preparing for parenthood, Emily immersed herself in learning about pregnancy, birth, and the state of maternity care in the U.S. This journey led them to take the EBB Childbirth Class with instructor Chanté Perryman, where they gained valuable knowledge and advocacy skills.
 
Emily and Taylor share how the EBB Childbirth Class empowered them to make informed decisions about their birth plan—including Taylor’s memorable experience of “catching” their baby. They also highlight the importance of the advocacy skills they learned, which helped them effectively communicate with healthcare providers and navigate unexpected challenges, such as breastfeeding difficulties and securing the right support during their baby’s jaundice treatment.
 
Be sure to listen all the way to the end of the episode for an exciting update from our guests!
 
Content Note: This episode covers topics such as extended hospital stays, breastfeeding challenges, jaundice testing and treatment, and the racial disparities affecting Black and Brown infants with jaundice.

(00:03:15) Doula Guidance During Pregnancy
(00:09:24) Minimal Intervention Birth Plan Worries
(00:17:45) Unexpected Labor Challenges
(00:24:45) Efficient and Caring Nurse's Impact
(00:34:34) Newborn's Breastfeeding and Jaundice Journey
(00:40:03) Newborn Care and Feeding Challenges
(00:43:17) Optimal Umbilical Cord Clamping Timing
(00:47:27) Risk Factors for Infant Jaundice
(00:52:18) Jaundice Warning Signs and Emergency Help
(00:55:57) Home Birth Journey and EBB Impact

Resoures:
  • Get the Evidence Based Birth® Pocket Guide to Newborn Procedures here
  • You can learn more about jaundice here at the Mayo Clinic site, or here at the Cleveland Clinic website.
  • Access the Evidence Based Birth®️ Signature Articles on:
    • The Evidence on Premature Rupture of Membranes here
    • The Evidence on Group B Strep here
    • The Evidence on Pitocin®️ in the Third Stage here
  • Listen to EBB 145- Fatherhood and Advocacy in Birth with JacMichael Perryman here
  • Listen to EBB 244 – Evidence on AROM, AVD and Internal Monitoring here
  • Learn more about Chanté Perryman’s EBB Childbirth Class and services here
  • Learn more about the Nest Collaborative here
For more information about Evidence Based Birth and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker’s book, “Babies Are Not Pizzas: They’re Born, Not Delivered!” If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.