“Conversion Therapy” at the Supreme Court
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Liz and Rebecca cover Chiles v. Salazar, the case before the Supreme Court seeking to strike down a Colorado law banning mental health professionals from practicing “conversion therapy” on children. They explain the details of the case and discuss the hypocrisy of a ruling striking down the ban. They also recount the October 7th oral arguments, where the majority of justices signaled support for a ruling that will nullify state laws in half the country protecting LGBTQ youth from these discredited harmful practices. Background Amicus briefs ” ...
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Stone Unturned: Courts have never allowed Ten Commandments in public schools
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Rebecca and Liz break down the strong history of courts rejecting government attempts to display Ten Commandments in public schools. They explain the seminal 1980 case Stone v. Graham, the SCOTUS cases since then reinforcing that precedent, and the growing number of states passing blatantly unconstitutional laws that force public schools to display Ten Commandments. Background Cases Louisiana: Roake v. Brumley (2024) Arkansas: Stinson v. Fayetteville School District No. 1 (2025) Texas: Rabbi Nathan v. Alamo Heights...
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100 years of monkey business: the Scopes trial centennial
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Rebecca and Liz commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Scopes Trial. They discuss the infamous “monkey” trial, and the history of teaching evolution in public schools. An “everything old is new again” episode, showing the impact of the Scopes trial throughout the last century and digging into the latest attempts by Christian Nationalists to inject religious teachings into science curriculum. Background Cases Check us out on , , , , and . Our website, , has more information as well as episode transcripts.
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Hoodwinked: Health Care Sharing Ministries with Sarah Levin
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Rebecca and Liz explore health care sharing ministries (HCSMs) with guest, Sarah Levin. Sarah guides us through this religious billion dollar industry. We discuss what HCSMs are and what they are not, and why we need to push for them to have transparency. Background and Resources Sarah’s email: sarah@secularstrategies.com Check us out on , , , , and . Our website, , has more information as well as episode transcripts.
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SCOTUS Wrap Up
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Liz and Rebecca explain the final three Supreme Court rulings with huge stakes for true religious freedom. They discuss the Court’s continued zeal for religious favoritism in the Catholic Charities, Mahmoud, and Skrmetti rulings—further expanding exemptions from the law for religious employers, giving ultra-conservative religious parents veto power over public school curriculum, and upholding state bans gender-affirming care for minors with gender dysphoria. Cases Catholic Charities Bureau, Inc. v. Wisconsin Labor & Industry Review Commission (2025) Mahmoud v....
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That Does Not Equal Nine: St. Isidore v. Drummond
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The third in the "unholy trinity” of religion clause cases from the current SCOTUS term. Liz and Rebecca discuss the case that sought to create the nation’s first Catholic public charter school and the surprisingly early decision issued by a divided Court. They explain how this case came to be, what the oral arguments revealed, and the high stakes of the case for our public school system. Background Check us out on , , , , and . Our website, , has more information as well as episode transcripts.
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High Unholy Season Continues: Mahmoud v. Taylor
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Liz and Rebecca continue the SCOTUS religion cases coverage with Mahmoud v. Taylor, a case that threatens to force public school districts to bend to the will of their most conservative religious parents. They discuss how the case came to be, what the oral arguments told us, and why this case actually is about book banning and censorship. Background Amicus briefs Cases Discussed Upcoming Case Check us out on , , , , and . Our website, , has more information as well as episode transcripts.
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High Unholy Season: Catholic Charities Bureau vs. Working Americans
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Liz and Rebecca break down the latest Supreme Court case, Catholic Charities Bureau, Inc. v. Wisconsin Labor & Industry Review Commission. They explain how the case seeks to expand religious tax exemptions yet again, while threatening the unemployment benefits of thousands of workers. They share their analysis of the oral arguments and predictions on how the Court’s decision will affect workers. Background Amicus briefs Upcoming Cases Check us out on , , , , and . Our website, , has more information as well as episode...
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Breaking Down Trump’s Executive Orders with Dena Sher
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Rebecca and Liz welcome Americans United Associate Vice President of Public Policy Dena Sher to the show to discuss President Trump’s spate of executive orders. Dena reminds us what executive orders are and we break down the ones that affect religious liberty and the separation of church and state. Background How to take action Executive Orders Other Legislation Discussed Louisiana law that would require Ten Commandments in classrooms Check us out on , , , , and . Our website, , has more information as well as...
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Annual Listener Mailbag!
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Liz and Rebecca take a break from the regular schedule to answer listener questions. They talk about how the founders viewed state/church separation, the issues our movement should focus on, and how to engage women in the cause of secularism. Resources Abortion resources FFRF Americans United Check us out on , , , , and . Our website, , has more information as well as episode transcripts.
info_outlineAlison, Liz, and Rebecca interview Anaya Gayle—lawyer, ex-Mormon, and former BYU assistant dean. They discuss the power and influence the church wields and life for LGBTQ+ students at BYU, as Anaya shares her experience inside the insular LDS community.
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"The Divine Institution of Marriage": An Overview of LDS Involvement in the Proposition 8 Campaign
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