S2E8 - Social Interaction Preference Assessments w/ Dr. Casey Clay
Release Date: 10/15/2020
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In Part 2 of a 2 part interview with Dr. Adithyan "Dithu" Rajaraman, Zach and Caleb discuss using radical behaviorism to set and accomplish goals. 1 learning CE is available for this episode. You can purchase it at If you feel that our podcast is a valuable contribution to the field of ABA, please consider supporting us on Patreon at References: Baum, W. M. (2017). Understanding behaviorism: Behavior, culture, and evolution. John Wiley & Sons. Catania, A. C. (1975). The myth of self-reinforcement. Behaviorism, 3(2), 192-199. Peterson, S. M., Aljadeff-Abergel, E., Eldridge, R. R.,...
info_outlineThis episode Zach and Caleb discuss social interaction preference assessments with Dr. Casey Clay.
1 learning CE is available for this episode. You can purchase it at https://www.functionalrelationspodcast.com.
If you feel that our podcast is a valuable contribution to the field of ABA, please consider supporting us at https://www.patreon.com/functionalrelationspodcast
Things to check out from the episode:
Dr. Clay has provided us with additional materials that can help us get started with running social interaction preference assessments. Click to download:
Zach is hiring Behavior Consultants for his company (Principled Behavior Consultants) in Roanoke, VA. To learn more about the position visit https://principledbehavior.com/join-our-team/. If you’re interested in joining the team email your resume to [email protected].
References:
Call, N. A., Shillingsburg, M. A., Bowen, C. N., Reavis, A. R., & Findley, A. J. (2013). Direct assessment of preferences for social interactions in children with autism. Journal of applied behavior analysis, 46(4), 821-826.
Clay, C. J., Samaha, A. L., Bloom, S. E., Bogoev, B. K., & Boyle, M. A. (2013). Assessing preference for social interactions. Research in Developmental Disabilities, 34(1), 362-371.
Clay, C. J., Samaha, A. L., & Bogoev, B. K. (2018). Assessing preference for and reinforcing efficacy of components of social interaction in individuals with autism spectrum disorder. Learning and Motivation, 62, 4-14.
Kelly, M. A., Roscoe, E. M., Hanley, G. P., & Schlichenmeyer, K. (2014). Evaluation of assessment methods for identifying social reinforcers. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 47(1), 113-135.
Morris, S. L., & Vollmer, T. R. (2019). Assessing preference for types of social interaction. Journal of applied behavior analysis, 52(4), 1064-1075.
Morris, S. L., & Vollmer, T. R. (2020). A comparison of picture and GIF‐based preference assessments for social interaction. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis.
Nuernberger, J. E., Smith, C. A., Czapar, K. N., & Klatt, K. P. (2012). Assessing preference for social interaction in children diagnosed with autism. Behavioral Interventions, 27(1), 33-44.
Wolfe, K., Kunnavatana, S. S., & Shoemaker, A. M. (2018). An investigation of a video-based preference assessment of social interactions. Behavior modification, 42(5), 729-746.