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Time for Geriatric Assessments in Cancer Care: William Dale, Mazie Tsang, and John Simmons

GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast

Release Date: 09/07/2023

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The comprehensive geriatric assessment is one of the cornerstones of geriatrics.  But does the geriatric assessment do anything?  Does it improve outcomes that patients, caregivers, and clinicians care about?

Evidence has been mounting about the importance of the geriatric assessment for older adults with cancer, the subject of today’s podcast.  The geriatric assessment has been shown in two landmark studies (Lancet and JAMA Oncology) to reduce high grade toxicity, improve patient and caregiver satisfaction, and improve completion of advance directives (can listen to our prior podcast on this issue here). 

Based on this surge in evidence, the American Society of Clinical Oncologists recently updated their guidelines for care of older adults to state that all older adults receiving systemic therapy (including chemo, immuno, targeted, hormonal therapy) should receive geriatric assessment guided care. 

We talk about these new guidelines today with William Dale, a geriatrician at City of Hope and lead author of the guideline update in the Journal of Clinical Oncology, Mazie Tsang, palliative care/heme/onc physician-researcher at Mayo Clinic Arizona who authored a study of geriatric and palliative conditions in older adults with poor prognosis cancers published in JAGS, and John Simmons, a retired heme/onc doctor, cancer survivor, and patient advocate.  We talk about:

  • What is a practical geriatric assessment and how can busy oncologists actually do one? (hint: 80% can be done in advance by patients or caregivers)

  • Why is it that some oncologists are resistant to conducting a geriatric assessment, yet have no problem ordering tests that cost thousands of dollars?

  • What can you do with the results of a geriatric assessment?

  • How does the geriatric assessment lead to improved completion of advance directives, when the assessment doesn’t address advance care planning/directives at all?

  • How does palliative care fit into all this?  Precision medicine?

  • What groups are being left out of trials?

  • What are the incentives to get oncologists and health systems to adopt the geriatric assessment?  

And Mazie, who is from Hawaii, requested the song Hawaii Aloha in honor of the victims of the wildfire disaster on Maui.  You can donate to the Hawaii Red Cross here.

Aloha,
-@AlexSmithMD

 

Additional Links:

Brief ASCO Video of how to conduct a practical geriatrics assessment
Brief ASCO Video of how to use the results of a practical geriatrics assessment
Time to stop saying the geriatric assessment is too time consuming