How Can Technologies Help Learners Figure Out What's Next For Them? | Diane Tavenner and Marshawn Brown
Release Date: 01/07/2026
How Can We Lead Away From Fragmentation and Towards Coherence? | Adel DiOrio
Getting Smart Podcast
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen sits down with Dr. Adel DiOrio to explore how school leaders can move from fragmented initiatives to real coherence through knowledge management, transformational leadership, and coaching. Drawing on her research in rural school systems and insights from The Coach’s Playbook, Adel shares why documenting what works, building strong relationships, and leading with intention are essential to sustaining improvement over time. From the power of “if you think it, ink it” to the life-changing influence of coaches and leaders,...
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How Do Schools Turn Innovation Into Systemic Change? | Rebecca Wolfe
Getting Smart Podcast
Why do so many promising ideas in education stay stuck in individual classrooms? In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen talks with Rebecca Wolfe about what it takes to turn innovation into lasting system change. From teacher agency and school leadership to accountability and knowledge-sharing, they explore how schools can create the conditions for ideas to spread, scale, and ultimately support learner thriving. Outline Links
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Transformation Journey: Lake City Area Schools with Tim Hejnal and Meghan Utech
Getting Smart Podcast
Every school that has tried to change and failed has done so for the same reason: the system kept producing exactly the results it was designed to produce, and nobody changed the system. What Lake City Area Schools discovered — through honest self-examination, disciplined sequencing, and a refusal to mistake movement for progress — is that real transformation requires a different kind of courage than most improvement efforts demand. Not the courage to launch something new, but the courage to admit that the old system was working perfectly: producing disengagement on schedule, graduating...
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What Do Meaningful Work Based Learning Experiences Look Like At Scale? | Stephanie Reisner and Steph Loeck
Getting Smart Podcast
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Tom Vander Ark speaks with Stephanie Reisner and Steph Loeck of GPS Education Partners about how work-based learning can transform student engagement, career readiness, and economic mobility. Drawing on 25 years of experience and their new book, Make School Work, they explore what makes work-based learning truly high quality, why employer preparation matters as much as student preparation, and how regional ecosystems can scale meaningful career-connected learning opportunities for more young people. Outline ...
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How Can We Reimagine the Teacher's Role for the AI Age? | Vriti Saraf
Getting Smart Podcast
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen sits down with Vriti Saraf, CEO of Ed3, to explore a timely and essential question: How do we move from using AI for efficiency to using AI for human flourishing in education? Drawing on Ed3’s new research, The Emerging Role of Teachers in the Age of AI, the conversation examines how artificial intelligence is already reshaping teaching, why the future of education must center human relationships, and what new teacher personas—like learning architect, life navigator, and community connector—might emerge in more...
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How is The Magnolia Project Changing Education? | Gianna Biaggi
Getting Smart Podcast
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen sits down with Gianna Biaggi, founder and executive director of the Magnolia Project, to explore how schools can treat the community as campus. Together, they discuss how Magnolia Project connects middle and high school students with local mentors through immersive, hands-on learning experiences that build agency, engagement, and career awareness. From rural partnerships to durable skills to the power of reflection, this conversation highlights a compelling model for expanding real-world learning and helping every student imagine a...
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How Are Wellesley High School Students Designing the Future of School? | Wellsey High Students
Getting Smart Podcast
Students at Wellesley High School are helping imagine what learning could look like in 2040. In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Mason Pashia talks with Alty and Anaya, two learners from the school’s Evolutions (EVOLS) program, about designing future-ready classrooms, visiting innovative schools, and building skills through hands-on, project-based experiences. From CTE-inspired spaces and collaborative learning environments to student voice and public speaking, this conversation offers a powerful look at what happens when young people are...
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What Makes a Child Well-Educated in the Age of AI? | Dr. Deborah Kenny
Getting Smart Podcast
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Tom Vander Ark speaks with Dr. Deborah Kenny, founder of Harlem Village Academies and author of The Well-Educated Child, about what it means to educate for depth, agency, and purpose in the age of AI. Their conversation explores deeper learning, Montessori, International Baccalaureate, Socratic dialogue, and the kind of rigorous, student-centered experiences that help young people become thoughtful, capable contributors to the world. Outline (00:00) Introduction (00:39) Meet Dr. Deborah Kenny & Harlem Village Academies (03:17) Redefining...
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Catching Up: Human Connection, AI Hive Minds, and the Skills Gap
Getting Smart Podcast
Nate McClennen and Mason Pashia unpack a wide-ranging set of ideas shaping the future of learning, from AI “hive minds” and youth relationships with AI to portraits of a graduate, durable skills, and real-world learning. They explore what it means to prepare students for a non-routine economy where judgment, collaboration, agency, and ownership matter more than ever. Along the way, they highlight innovative school models, reflect on new research and reports, and consider how education systems can better connect technical skills, human development, and future-ready experiences. Outline ...
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How Do We Build Unbounded, Co-Created Pathways for Every Learner? | Jean-Claude Brizard
Getting Smart Podcast
In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Tom Vander Ark talks with Jean-Claude Brizard, CEO of Digital Promise, about the launch of the Center for Learner Pathway Innovations and what it will take to build New Pathways that are truly “unbounded.” They dig into the barriers that keep learners from seeing and accessing opportunity (visibility, value, and recognition gaps), why pathways must be co-created with learners and communities, and how credentialing and learner records can better capture skills and verified...
info_outlineIn this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Tom Vander Ark sits down with Diane Tavenner, founder and CEO of Futre, and Marshawn Brown, a student user of the platform. Together, they discuss how Futre empowers students to explore diverse career pathways with transparency and dignity. From personalized career exploration and work-based learning integration to long-term tools for student success, this conversation reimagines the mission of education. Learn how schools can support students in navigating post-secondary options and preparing for meaningful, purpose-driven futures.
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- (00:00) Introduction to Futre Platform
- (09:02) Career Discovery and Exploration
- (13:33) Work-Based Learning Integration
- (22:35) Student Experience and Recommendations
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