193 From Grief Math to Spiritual Play: A Journey with Chaplain Jessica Shannon
Release Date: 07/19/2026
197 Author Dr. Jerry Woodbridge on Children’s Grief, Widowhood, and Writing the Loved, Lost, Won Series
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197 Author Dr. Jerry Woodbridge on Children’s Grief, Widowhood, and Writing the Loved, Lost, Won Series In Hospice Explained episode 197, host Marie Betcher, a registered nurse and former hospice nurse, interviews educator and author Dr. Jerry Woodbridge about grief, faith, and her writing. Dr. Jerry shares her background in education and educational technology, her sudden widowhood in 2004 when her husband died one day after a colon cancer diagnosis, and the impact on her children, including her son’s unspoken panic attacks and a difficult move from Florida to Indiana. She describes how...
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196 Six-Year Anniversary Reflections and CPR Considerations at End of Life
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196 Six-Year Anniversary Reflections and CPR Considerations at End of Life In episode 196 of Hospice Explained, host Marie Betcher, a registered nurse and former hospice nurse, marks what she considers the podcast’s six-year anniversary since beginning work on it in August 2020 and reflects on how it grew far beyond the 20 episodes she originally expected. She highlights a recent Facebook post from The Hospice Heart by nurse educator Gabby Jimenez about her brother’s end-of-life and CPR experience, encourages listeners to read it, and notes plans to invite Gabby back after her prior...
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195 Funeral Planning, Grief, and Hospice: Bob Arrington on Why Celebrating a Life Matters
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195 Funeral Planning, Grief, and Hospice: Bob Arrington on Why Celebrating a Life Matters Host Marie Betcher, a registered nurse and former hospice nurse, interviews Bob Arrington, NFDA spokesperson and longtime Tennessee funeral director, about how funeral service supports the grief journey and why planning matters. Arrington explains that families don’t call a funeral director just to bury or cremate, but to begin adjusting to a “new normal,” and that skipping any kind of service often makes grief harder for family and community. He encourages pausing to honor a life even with simple...
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194 Pet Grief and Disenfranchised Loss (with Hospice Chaplain Jessica Shannon)
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194 Pet Grief and Disenfranchised Loss (with Hospice Chaplain Jessica Shannon) Host Marie Betcher, a registered nurse and former hospice nurse, interviews board-certified hospice chaplain and author Jessica Shannon in episode 194, focusing on pet grief. They discuss pet loss as “disenfranchised grief,” often experienced as lonely and minimized by society, and describe anticipatory grief that begins as pets age and decline. Jessica explains how pet grief can be as intense as human loss, may trigger cumulative grief when an animal is tied to a deceased loved one, and includes grieving...
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193 From Grief Math to Spiritual Play: A Journey with Chaplain Jessica Shannon
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193 From Grief Math to Spiritual Play: A Journey with Chaplain Jessica Shannon Hospice Explained host Marie Betcher (RN and former hospice nurse) interviews board-certified chaplain, writer, certified grief coach, and hospice bereavement coordinator Jessica Shannon. Jessica explains how chaplains provide interfaith support without proselytizing and help families find hope in whatever sustains them, including in complex situations where family members draw on different sources such as faith or science. She describes pediatric spiritual play—rooted in child development and adapted from Jerome...
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192: Cynthia Cisneros on Home Hospice, Symptom Management, and Team Support
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192: Cynthia Cisneros on Home Hospice, Symptom Management, and Team Support Host Marie Betcher, a registered nurse and former hospice nurse, interviews Cynthia Cisneros RN in episode 192 about her nursing career and hospice experience. Cynthia describes studying at UCLA, earning a nursing degree in 1981, and working in orthopedics, pediatrics, oncology, and with early AIDS patients before moving into home health and then hospice, where she was mentored by a pioneer nurse, Margaret, and later worked in palliative care and home hospice evaluations. Cynthia emphasizes that families often wish...
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191 Jack Clifford on EECP, Self-Advocacy, and Supporting Loved Ones at End of Life
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191 Jack Clifford on EECP, Self-Advocacy, and Supporting Loved Ones at End of Life Host Marie Betcher, a registered nurse and former hospice nurse, interviews retired US Coast Guard E9 Jack Clifford, author of “EECP: The Most Underutilized Therapy in Medicine,” about his experience declining emergency triple-bypass surgery after being hospitalized in January 2021 with severe coronary artery disease and instead pursuing enhanced external counterpulsation (EECP). Jack describes researching options, advocating for a pause in urgent medical “pipelines,” and traveling to access EECP...
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190 Comfort Measures in the Hospital: What They Mean and How They Help
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190 Comfort Measures in the Hospital: What They Mean and How They Help Host Marie Betcher, a registered nurse and former hospice nurse, explains what “comfort measures” mean when offered during a hospital stay. Comfort measures begin when curative care stops and the focus shifts to relieving discomfort, pain, and distress for patients nearing end of life through appropriate medications and bedside care. She notes that comfort measures are not a full care program and lack the added support hospice can provide, but they are still valuable, especially when hospice is not offered or available...
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189 Cumulus: Reimagining Digital Memorials and Legacy with Architect-Founder Alexander Josephson
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189 Cumulus: Reimagining Digital Memorials and Legacy with Architect-Founder Alexander Josephson Host Marie Betcher, a registered nurse and former hospice nurse, interviews Alexander Josephson, creator of Cumulus, a Toronto/New York-based digital memorial platform designed as an immersive “memory cloud” where families can store and experience photos, videos, notes, and other legacy content in VR-accessible spaces, with mapping for gravesites or ash scatterings. Josephson shares how repeated family encounters with death—his grandparents’ passing, his grandmother’s Lewy body...
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188 The Intersection of Hospice and Palliative Care: A Conversation with Dr. Jill Schwartz-Chevlin, MD, MBA, FACP
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188 The Intersection of Hospice and Palliative Care: A Conversation with Dr. Jill Schwartz-Chevlin, MD, MBA, FACP Host Marie Betcher, RN and former hospice nurse, interviews Dr. Jill Schwartz-Chevlin, an internist and palliative physician with experience in home-based primary care, hospice leadership, and value-based care. Dr. Jill explains value-based medicine as aligning incentives with patient outcomes, especially for people with complex chronic illness, by anticipating needs, supporting symptom recognition, and preventing crisis-driven ER and hospital use that can lead to...
info_outline193 From Grief Math to Spiritual Play: A Journey with Chaplain Jessica Shannon
Hospice Explained host Marie Betcher (RN and former hospice nurse) interviews board-certified chaplain, writer, certified grief coach, and hospice bereavement coordinator Jessica Shannon. Jessica explains how chaplains provide interfaith support without proselytizing and help families find hope in whatever sustains them, including in complex situations where family members draw on different sources such as faith or science. She describes pediatric spiritual play—rooted in child development and adapted from Jerome Berryman’s Godly Play—using tools like bibliotherapy, coloring prompts, and “emotional Uno” to help children express feelings and process illness and grief, sometimes facilitating honest family conversations about dying. Jessica also discusses adapting these approaches for adult bereavement support and introduces her book, The Sum of Grief, based on her mother’s sudden death when Jessica was 17years old, and her later experience of “grief math” as she approached her mother’s age at death, with a future episode planned on pet loss.
00:00 Welcome and Disclaimer
00:29 Meet Host and Guest
03:53 Chaplaincy and Bereavement Role
07:07 Pediatric Spiritual Play Basics
08:42 Bibliotherapy Case Story
10:44 Working With Parents Too
13:27 Interfaith Support and Hope
15:57 Spiritual Play Tools and Games
23:28 Adapting Play for Adults
25:41 Her Book and Grief Math
34:47 Closing and Pet Loss Teaser
36:40 Final Thanks and Subscribe
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