Absorption Cooling - The Rise and Fall and Rise - Short #272
HVAC School - For Techs, By Techs
In this short podcast episode, Bryan goes on another history journey, retelling the story of the rise and fall and rise of absorption cooling. Some of the first HVAC/R engineers cooled buildings with fire; they used absorption refrigeration, which ran on heat instead of electricity. In the early 1800s, French scientist Michael Faraday showed that gases like ammonia could absorb heat as they evaporated. Instead of compressing the vapor, engineers looked for a way to absorb the heat from the vapor and drive it back out. In 1859, Ferdinand Carré invented a machine that boiled ammonia,...
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Combustion Analysis w/ Tony G.
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In this comprehensive training session from the symposium, Tony Gonzalez, Training Director at Fieldpiece, delivers an engaging and practical guide to combustion analysis for HVAC technicians. With 25 years of experience at Fieldpiece—from warehouse worker to training director—Tony brings both technical expertise and real-world application to this 50-minute interactive session focused on the company's CAT 85 combustion analyzer. Tony emphasizes that combustion analysis serves four critical purposes: safety, efficiency, equipment specification verification, and liability protection. He...
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Give Until it Hertz - The Battle Over Frequency - Short #271
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In this short podcast episode, we go back into the history of the trades, namely the battle over frequency (and how each side had to give until it hertz). The low hum of motors is alternating current: electricity moving back and forth through copper 60x per second (in the USA and Canada, at least). In another version of history, that pulse could be 50x per second instead (as in much of the remainder of the world). The forgotten frequency war is the lesser-known sequel to the war of the currents. Tesla's AC power prevailed over Edison's DC, but different motor and generator companies chose...
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Residential vs. Commercial HVAC Sales
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In this candid conversation, Nathan and Bryan dive deep into the often-misunderstood world of sales in the construction and HVAC trades. Nathan, who has transitioned from fieldwork to spending roughly 60% of his time in sales, offers a unique perspective on why sales professionals are necessary despite the skepticism they face from tradespeople. The discussion tackles head-on the negative perceptions surrounding salespeople while making a compelling case for their essential role in growing and sustaining a trades business. The conversation explores the fundamental differences between...
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When Ammonia Ruled the World - Short #270
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In this short podcast episode, Bryan takes us on a history journey back to when ammonia ruled the world. In the mid-1800s, before R-12, many inventors and scientists experimented with vapor-compression refrigeration systems to make ice. They used a variety of refrigerants in their patents, including ether, ethyl ether, carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, methyl chloride, and ammonia. Each one had tradeoffs, but ammonia was the favorite because it was inexpensive, very good at moving heat, and useful because its odor made leaks obvious (although it was toxic and irritated the lungs and mucus...
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Humidity, Airflow, and Refrigeration
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In this episode of the HVAC School podcast, Bryan and Nathan dive deep into the challenges of humidity control in grocery stores and other refrigerated environments. While the conversation takes several entertaining detours (including discussions about morning radio shows, Indian weddings with elephants, and imaginary lava-heated homes), the core content provides valuable insights for HVAC and refrigeration technicians dealing with condensation and moisture issues in commercial refrigeration spaces. The hosts explain why humidity management is critical in grocery environments, where...
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The Finned-Tube Coil - Short #269
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In this short podcast episode, Bryan explores the history of the finned-tube coil, which is what we use for heat exchange in air-source air conditioners and heat pumps. Air-source HVAC systems have copper tubes threaded through thin metal fins. This design was optimized to ensure the greatest possible surface area for heat exchange to occur. However, prior to the finned-tube coil, HVAC coils looked more like plumbing projects with bare copper loops, which were heavy, costly, and inefficient. In the early 1900s, HVAC was essentially plumbing with higher expectations; capacity was dictated...
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Are Two Are Better Than One: Understanding Tandem Compressors
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In this comprehensive episode of the HVAC School podcast, host Bryan Orr sits down with three experts from Copeland to demystify tandem and trio compressor systems. Joining him are Gina Kahle (Multiples Engineering Manager with 12+ years at Copeland), Tyler Daniels (Product Management team member), and James Stevenson (Technical Sales veteran with 28 years of field experience). Together, they provide both the engineering perspective and real-world service insights that technicians need to understand these increasingly common systems. The conversation begins with the fundamentals: tandem and...
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The Tech That Tried to Beat the Compressor - Short #268
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In this short podcast episode, Bryan tells the story of the technology that tried to beat the compressor... and still may someday. We associate cooling with refrigerant... and all the things that come with it, including compressor noise, oil, recovery machines and tanks, leaks, superheat, and regulations. However, there is a means of providing cooling with two pieces of metal and several semiconductors; current runs through it, and one side becomes cold, and the other side becomes hot. This technology is called thermoelectric cooling, associated with the Peltier effect. In 1834, French...
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VRF, Ductless and Humidity Control w/ Roman
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In this comprehensive episode, Bryan and Roman dive deep into one of the most challenging topics in modern HVAC: making VRF (Variable Refrigerant Flow) and ductless systems perform effectively in humid climates like Florida. The conversation tackles a common misconception that inverter-driven equipment automatically handles humidity well simply because it can "turn down." Roman emphasizes that successful application of VRF technology in humid environments requires skilled professionals who understand building science, envelope integrity, and proper system sizing. The biggest takeaway? If...
info_outlineIn this raw and unfiltered episode, Bryan sits down with Elliot, a senior service tech and newly minted install supervisor, to discuss the realities of working with R-454B refrigerant in the field. What starts as a technical discussion about the new A2L refrigerant quickly evolves into a candid conversation about industry frustrations, manufacturer accountability, and the practical challenges technicians face with the latest refrigerant transition. With four years of hands-on experience, Elliot brings fresh perspectives on everything from charging procedures to equipment reliability issues.
The conversation takes an honest look at the R-454B rollout, which Bryan describes as a massive industry failure. Unlike typical manufacturer talking points, this episode dives into real problems technicians are experiencing: extended charging times, subcooling drift, and equipment component failures. Bryan and Elliot discuss how R-454B systems can take up to an hour to stabilize compared to the 15-20 minutes they were accustomed to with R-410A. This isn't just an inconvenience—it's affecting how technicians approach charging procedures and follow-up visits.
The episode also explores theoretical explanations for R-454B's unusual behavior. Bryan presents two hypotheses about why the refrigerant takes so long to reach equilibrium: either density differences between R-32 and R-1234yf are causing stratification in the condenser, or one component is settling at the top and acting like a non-condensable. While admitting he's "not a mathy details guy," Bryan encourages field technicians to investigate these phenomena using thermal imaging cameras and careful observation. This practical, boots-on-the-ground approach to understanding new technology exemplifies the podcast's commitment to real-world problem-solving.
Beyond technical discussions, the conversation touches on broader industry issues, including the politics behind refrigerant selection, manufacturer warranty support (or lack thereof), and the challenges faced by contractors trying to maintain fair pricing while dealing with new equipment failures. Bryan and Elliot also address the reliability concerns with new A2L safety components like dissipation boards and refrigerant sensors, noting that while failure rates aren't dramatically higher than other components, they represent additional potential failure points that weren't previously necessary.
Topics Covered
- R-454B Charging Behavior: Extended stabilization times (up to 1 hour vs. 15-20 minutes for R-410A) and subcooling drift over time
- Field Charging Strategy: Why technicians are intentionally undercharging slightly and relying more on line length specifications
- A2L Safety Components: Dissipation boards and refrigerant leak sensors—their function, failure rates, and nuisance alarms
- Refrigerant Stratification Theory: Potential explanations for delayed equilibrium involving density differences and non-condensable behavior
- Industry Politics: The R-454B vs. R-32 debate, GWP legislation, and lobbying efforts that shaped current refrigerant standards
- Manufacturer Accountability: Warranty support issues, untested components, and the financial burden on contractors
- Recovery and Reuse Concerns: Questions about blend consistency when recovering R-454B and tank contamination issues
- Future of HVAC: Discussion of heat recovery chillers, secondary fluid systems, and emerging refrigerant-free technologies
- Pressure Testing Requirements: New legislation requiring extended pressure tests and improved brazing practices
- Practical Field Advice: Using thermal imaging to diagnose condenser behavior and verify proper refrigerant distribution
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