loader from loading.io

How Do You Sell (or Buy) an Agency Without Killing Culture? With Alyssa Ash | Ep #840

Smart Agency Podcast: The #1 Digital Marketing Agency Podcast for Social Media, SEO, PPC & Creative Agencies

Release Date: 09/28/2025

From Burnout to Boundaries. Designing an Agency That Energizes You with Ingrid Schneider | Ep #876 show art From Burnout to Boundaries. Designing an Agency That Energizes You with Ingrid Schneider | Ep #876

Smart Agency Podcast: The #1 Digital Marketing Agency Podcast for Social Media, SEO, PPC & Creative Agencies

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? Do you feel you’re giving everything to your agency and only getting exhaustion as a result? Agencies grow best when they’re built around clarity, empathy, and self-awareness. Whether it’s pricing, boundaries, team management, or AI, the common thread is intention. Today’s featured guest understands that you don’t need to hustle harder. You need to design smarter, around who you are, how you work best, and what kind of business you actually want to run. She’ll share her perspective on agency growth, self-awareness,...

info_outline
Can You Trust AI With Your Marketing Data or Is It Lying to You? With Scott Desgrosseilliers | Ep #875 show art Can You Trust AI With Your Marketing Data or Is It Lying to You? With Scott Desgrosseilliers | Ep #875

Smart Agency Podcast: The #1 Digital Marketing Agency Podcast for Social Media, SEO, PPC & Creative Agencies

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? Are you feeding your data into AI and assuming the insights it gives you are accurate? What if those confident-sounding answers are quietly steering you in the wrong direction? More agency owners are turning to AI to analyze and interpret performance data, and for good reason. Used correctly, it can save massive amounts of time and move teams beyond using AI to crank out blog posts, ads, or emails faster. But when it comes to attribution, performance analysis, and real decision-making, AI has a dangerous flaw: it’s often...

info_outline
Why Most Agencies Sound the Same and How Yours Can Be Different with David Brier | Ep #874 show art Why Most Agencies Sound the Same and How Yours Can Be Different with David Brier | Ep #874

Smart Agency Podcast: The #1 Digital Marketing Agency Podcast for Social Media, SEO, PPC & Creative Agencies

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE?  Most agencies don’t have a marketing problem. They have a sameness problem. Their websites, their services, their “award-winning team” language. It’s all the same. They even have the same promises that sound impressive but mean absolutely nothing to a prospect who’s heard it 50 times this week. Today’s featured guest has a pretty good idea of why agencies are blending into the background and how the ones that win are doing the opposite. He’ll get into differentiation, AI, pricing confidence, RFPs, and why...

info_outline
From Broken Agency Partnerships to Bulletproof Self-Belief with Cliff Skelliter | Ep #873 show art From Broken Agency Partnerships to Bulletproof Self-Belief with Cliff Skelliter | Ep #873

Smart Agency Podcast: The #1 Digital Marketing Agency Podcast for Social Media, SEO, PPC & Creative Agencies

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE?  Have you ever questioned whether you’re actually built for the hard seasons of agency life? When things get messy, unpredictable, or overwhelming, do you wonder if you have what it takes to keep going or if everyone else somehow got a playbook you missed? Most agency owners don’t wake up one day and decide, “I’m going to build an agency.” They trip into it. One project turns into two, side work turns into real revenue, and suddenly you’re invoicing clients without knowing what an invoice number is supposed to...

info_outline
How to Adapt When Your Agency Niche Stops Working with Laryssa Wirstiuk | Ep #872 show art How to Adapt When Your Agency Niche Stops Working with Laryssa Wirstiuk | Ep #872

Smart Agency Podcast: The #1 Digital Marketing Agency Podcast for Social Media, SEO, PPC & Creative Agencies

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE?  Running an agency today looks nothing like it did even a few years ago. What used to work: SEO-driven inbound leads, tight vertical niches, and predictable platforms, has shifted fast. Today’s featured guest has learned to adapt to these changes and went from having a clear and defined niche to letting clients’ needs guide the next steps for her business. She’ll talk about navigating those changes, evolving your positioning, and deciding whether you’re actually willing to do what adaptation requires. Laryssa...

info_outline
If AI Can Do the Work Faster, What Should Agencies Be Selling? With Eric Weidner | Ep #871 show art If AI Can Do the Work Faster, What Should Agencies Be Selling? With Eric Weidner | Ep #871

Smart Agency Podcast: The #1 Digital Marketing Agency Podcast for Social Media, SEO, PPC & Creative Agencies

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE?  If AI can now write, design, and build faster than your team, what does a profitable agency actually sell next? Most agency owners have experienced a weird mix of excitement and anxiety about AI. On the surface, it feels like everything is changing overnight, including websites, content, search, development, and even how clients perceive value. Underneath that panic, though, there’s a calmer truth: the fundamentals of running a great agency haven’t changed at all. The tools have. Today’s featured guest talks...

info_outline
What It Takes to Scale a 700-Person Agency Without Losing Your Mind (or Margin) with Nital Shah | Ep #870 show art What It Takes to Scale a 700-Person Agency Without Losing Your Mind (or Margin) with Nital Shah | Ep #870

Smart Agency Podcast: The #1 Digital Marketing Agency Podcast for Social Media, SEO, PPC & Creative Agencies

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE?  How big do you actually want your agency to become? Does the idea of running a massive team sound exciting or completely exhausting? For many agency owners, scaling feels less like growth and more like trading freedom for complexity. Scaling an agency isn’t about hustle. It’s about surviving the moments that almost break you, building systems that actually work, and accepting that what got you here won’t get you there. Today’s featured guest understands that running a big agency is about structure and leadership....

info_outline
How to Survive Google Updates, AI Disruption, and Scale a Local SEO Agency with Joy Hawkins | Ep #869 show art How to Survive Google Updates, AI Disruption, and Scale a Local SEO Agency with Joy Hawkins | Ep #869

Smart Agency Podcast: The #1 Digital Marketing Agency Podcast for Social Media, SEO, PPC & Creative Agencies

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE?  Do you feel constantly worried about shrinking organic visibility, heavier ad pressure, and constant change? Running an agency has never been a straight line. Platforms change, algorithms shift, and what worked five years ago can quietly stop working overnight. Organic visibility is shrinking, ads are getting more expensive, and uncertainty feels constant. Today’s featured guest knows that reality and will share her journey from agency employee to founder of a 43-person local SEO agency, along with her honest...

info_outline
How to Choose the Right Agency Niche and Stick With It Through Uncertainty with Filip Lugovic | Ep #868 show art How to Choose the Right Agency Niche and Stick With It Through Uncertainty with Filip Lugovic | Ep #868

Smart Agency Podcast: The #1 Digital Marketing Agency Podcast for Social Media, SEO, PPC & Creative Agencies

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE?  Starting with a clearly defined niche can make all the difference when you’re landing your first clients and deeply understanding that niche can carry you through the toughest seasons of agency life. Today’s featured guest built his agency on exactly that foundation. Before launching his firm, he spent years working as a consultant for governments, UN agencies, and the European Commission. Along the way, he identified a clear gap in the market. That expertise proved invaluable during the pandemic. While uncertainty hit...

info_outline
What 2025 Taught Us: Top Agency Owner Interviews of the Year | Ep #867 show art What 2025 Taught Us: Top Agency Owner Interviews of the Year | Ep #867

Smart Agency Podcast: The #1 Digital Marketing Agency Podcast for Social Media, SEO, PPC & Creative Agencies

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE?  What a year. I sat down with over 100 incredible agency owners—and the insights were unreal. From million-dollar breakthroughs to hard-earned lessons, these founders brought the real talk. In this special year-end episode, I’m sharing the top 5 interviews that stood out most. To everyone who tuned in, shared an episode, or took action from something they heard—thank you. This show is for you, and because of you. Here’s to a smarter, stronger, more scalable 2026. Let’s go.   Subscribe...

info_outline
 
More Episodes

Would you like access to our advanced agency training for FREE? https://www.agencymastery360.com/training

What does it really look like when employees step up to buy the agency they’ve helped run for years? Today's featured guest will share how she and her partners carried forward the 30-year legacy of an agency founded in the days of print and stamp, a business that has not only survived but thrived through three different ownership handoffs.

You’ll hear how they transitioned from licking envelopes to leading digital campaigns, navigated buying the business during COVID, and tackled the imposter syndrome that comes with suddenly being “the boss.” If you’ve ever thought about selling your agency, or buying one, this conversation is packed with lessons on culture, succession, and keeping an agency alive for the long haul.

Alyssa Ash is one of the principals and co-owners of AOR, a creative and digital agency focused on branding, marketing, and web, with a strong focus on real estate development, municipalities, and economic development projects. Think housing solutions, community connections, and projects that shape cities—that’s their sweet spot.

Alyssa and her two business partners are the third generation of owners keeping AOR alive since its founding in 1992. A rare kind of legacy in agency land.

In this episode, we’ll discuss:

  • How employees can be groomed into ownership.

  • Lessons from buying an agency during COVID.

  • Why imposter syndrome is normal (and even healthy).

Subscribe

Apple | Spotify | iHeart Radio

Sponsors and Resources

This episode is brought to you by Wix Studio: If you’re leveling up your team and your client experience, your site builder should keep up too. That’s why successful agencies use Wix Studio — built to adapt the way your agency does: AI-powered site mapping, responsive design, flexible workflows, and scalable CMS tools so you spend less on plugins and more on growth. Ready to design faster and smarter? Go to wix.com/studio to get started.

A Legacy of Print and Culture

Back in ’92, AOR wasn’t cranking out websites or SEO strategies. It was the time of print design, direct mail, licking stamps, and die-cut lounge chair mailers that made people long-time clients. It’s not common that an agency that gets acquired lives on like this, but the founders had built something special. Each generation of owners didn’t just grow the client list—they protected the culture.

When the founders sold 13 years after starting the business, keeping that culture intact was non-negotiable. Fast forward again, and Alyssa’s crew inherited not just an agency, but a philosophy: honor the people and the community as much as the work.

Transitioning from Employee to Owner

Unlike an outside buyer swooping in with an SBA loan, Alyssa and her partners were homegrown leaders. They’d each put in 10–15 years, running departments in strategy, sales, and operations. By the time the second set of owners started floating the idea of selling, the trio was already running day-to-day operations.

At first, the conversation was casual, “Would you even want to own the agency someday?”, but over time it got real. The financial side was initially not even part of the conversation, although they did give a reasonable runway of five to ten years for the acquisition to happen. The fact that three of them shared the load made the acquisition possible.

While the thought was intimidating at first, the gradual handoff built their confidence. By the time the deal closed, ownership felt less like a leap and more like the next natural step.

Navigating an Agency Acquisition During COVID

If you’ve ever thought about buying or selling an agency, you know the financing part can get tricky. For Alyssa and her partners, COVID hit right in the middle of negotiations. On one hand, this made it somehow easier for her and her partners to step even more into their roles as heads of the agency. While the owners stepped back from daily operations, Alyssa and her partners made the transition to their new roles.

On the other hand, the pandemic did complicate things as SBA loans looked risky with interest rates climbing. Thankfully, the old owners worked out a five-year owner-financed note instead.

That decision didn’t just save them financially, it cemented trust. The outgoing owners wanted the next generation to succeed and structured the deal so everyone won. As Alyssa put it, “It didn’t feel like a big shift… because we’d already been doing it.”

Fighting Imposter Syndrome (and Why That’s Healthy)

Even with 15 years in the trenches, Alyssa admits stepping into ownership brought its fair share of imposter syndrome. She was still quite young, even though she felt comfortable leading day-to-day operations. This is where the former owner’s trust really helped. They put her in a position to succeed and trusted she could make it.

Ultimately, every agency owner feels that, no matter the stage of their career they’re at when becoming an owner. In fact, it’s the ones who don’t who usually get tripped up by ego.

Preparing the Next Generation

So, is Alyssa grooming her team for eventual ownership? Not yet, it’s too soon. But she is watching for the traits that made her and her partners natural fits: entrepreneurial thinking, leadership instincts, and a bias for taking responsibility.

Her advice to other agency owners thinking about succession:

  • Don’t overlook your employees as potential buyers.

  • Give them time and a runway to grow into the role.

Protect your culture by keeping it in the hands of people who already live it.

Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset?

Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.