Ep 289: Navigating 'Unruliness': Hence Cofounder Sean West on How Politics, AI and Law are Rewriting Business Rules
Release Date: 05/06/2025
Clio Doubleheader: CMO Reagan Attle and VP of Payments A.J. Axelrod
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In the last in a series of interviews recorded during the ClioCon conference in Boston in October 2025, we bring you a doubleheader – two interviews with two of the legal tech company’s key executives. In the first, LawNext host Bob Ambrogi speaks with , chief marketing officer at Clio since 2017. In a year in which Clio made the biggest acquisition in legal tech history with its $1 billion purchase of vLex, and in which Clio is aiming to dramatically expand its market and its use of AI, what are the challenges and opportunities for the person tasked with leading the company’s...
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Fastcase Founder Ed Walters On the Implications of Clio’s Acquisition of vLex
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The biggest deal of 2025 – in fact, the biggest deal ever in legal tech – was legal tech company . A global legal research company founded in Spain, vLex had, just two years earlier, , and the union of those two companies – which also included the Docket Alarm trove of court docket data – had further accelerated the development of Vincent, vLex’s generative AI technology. Now, with Clio’s acquisition of vLex, comes a combustible combination that has the potential to unify the fuel of all that vLex legal research and docket data with Clio’s cloud practice management...
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Inside Clio's AI-Driven Transformation: CPO John Foreman and CTO Jonathan Watson
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For legal technology company Clio, this was a particularly significant year, marked by major announcements – including its $1 billion acquisition of vLex – that many saw as transformative for the company. This was on full display at the company’s ClioCon conference in October, where CEO Jack Newton gave a keynote laying out the company’s vision for a in which Clio becomes an “intelligent legal work platform” that serves not as a system of record, but as a system of action, powering lawyers through their workdays by automating much of what they do. In today's episode,...
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Reimagining Litigation Workflows through AI: A Panel Recorded Live at the Everlaw Summit
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As new tools using generative AI promise to change the way we litigate and conduct discovery, what are the implications for day-to-day litigation workflows? On today’s episode of LawNext, we feature a conversation with three guests about how law firms are navigating the urgency around gen AI adoption while staying grounded in practical realities. LawNext host Bob Ambrogi recorded this conversation at e-discovery company annual Summit in San Francisco, where gen AI was very much the talk of the conference — from new product announcements to candid discussions about how law firms are...
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The Neuroanalytics Of Using Legal Tech: Clio’s Joshua Lenon On A First-of-its-Kind Cognitive Study
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Legal technology company Clio recently released the 10th edition of its , its annual analysis of data and survey responses on legal practice and emerging trends, and this year’s report ventured into new territory. For the first time, the report included a neuroanalytics study of legal professionals, analyzing electrical brain activity in legal professionals as they performed various work-related tasks, in order to paint a picture of their emotional strain and mental focus as they worked. For an in-depth look at this year’s Legal Trends Report, its principal author, , lawyer in...
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As SimpleDocs Acquires Law Insider, Founder Preston Clark Shares the Strategic Vision
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If content is the raw material of generative AI, it only makes sense that an AI-driven contract automation platform would want to acquire the world’s largest database of contracts and clauses. That is e when , a company with an AI contract drafting, redlining and review platform, acquired , which claims to be home to 5 million contracts and 20 million clauses spanning more than 50 languages. One aspect of this acquisition that makes it particularly interesting is that both companies were founded by the same person – and that person, , is our guest today. In that sense, you might say this...
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Clio CEO Jack Newton on Its New ‘Intelligent Legal Work Platform’ and A New Era Of AI-Driven Legal Work
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Last week brought the 13th annual ClioCon — the annual conference of legal technology company Clio — to Boston, Mass., where cofounder and CEO Jack Newton gave a keynote in which he laid out the company’s vision for a new era of AI-driven legal work. That new era is one in which Clio becomes an “intelligent legal work platform” that serves not as a system of record, but as a system of action, powering lawyers through their workdays by automating much of what they do. Many had wondered what Newton’s keynote would bring, coming on the heels of the company’s $1 billion...
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How AI Is Helping Legal Aid Serve 50% More Clients: Thomson Reuters’ AI for Justice Program One Year In
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In the United States, over 90% of civil legal needs go unrepresented – a staggering justice gap that leaves millions of people facing eviction, domestic violence, wrongful conviction and other urgent legal crises without access to an attorney. For these individuals, the difference between getting legal help or going without can literally be the difference between safety and harm, between keeping a home and losing everything. One year ago, Thomson Reuters launched its program to help address this crisis by providing legal aid organizations with access to CoCounsel, its professional-grade AI...
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From Client Experience to Client Intelligence: Case Status CEO Andy Seavers On Becoming A ‘Future Firm’
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Recently, the legal technology company held its inaugural in Charleston, S.C., a conference devoted to exploring how AI, data and ethical practices can enable law firms to deliver a better experience for their clients.In an opening keynote at the conference, , the cofounder and CEO of Case Status, unveiled several new products, including, most notably, Client Intelligence, an AI-driven platform that the company says represents a significant shift for law firms from reactive client management to predictive client engagement. Shortly after Seavers delivered that keynote, LawNext host Bob...
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An AI Arbitrator? The Latest Innovations from the American Arbitration Association, with CEO Bridget McCormack and CTO Diana Didia
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Nearly , we discussed the innovation initiatives – and specifically its embrace of generative AI – with , who became its president and CEO in 2023 after having been chief justice of the Michigan Supreme Court, and , its chief information and innovation officer. On today’s episode, McCormack and Didia – now executive vice president and chief technology and innovation officer – return for an update on innovation at the AAA. In that prior podcast, McCormack and Didia spoke extensively about the AAA's innovation culture and their early experiments with gen AI. At the...
info_outline"Everybody understands the world is volatile, but they don't necessarily understand why it's volatile or how to deal with it," says Sean West, cofounder of Hence Technologies and author of the new book, Unruly: Fighting Back When Politics, AI, and Law Upend the Rules of Business. "Unruly is a play on words. ... The world is kind of ‘unruling.’ The rules and norms that were developed during globalization are falling away."
On this week’s LawNext, West joins host Bob Ambrogi to discuss how the collision of geopolitics, technology, and legal shifts is creating unprecedented challenges for businesses of all sizes – and their legal advisors. Their conversation explores how businesses can turn volatility into opportunity, the importance of strategic legal counsel in this environment, and why companies of all sizes need access to geopolitical intelligence.
They also discuss Hence’s recent launch of Hence Global, an AI-powered platform designed to help businesses and their legal counsel manage geopolitical uncertainties by providing customized, real-time risk analysis and insights tailored to specific business roles and needs. West explains how the platform delivers personalized, role-specific intelligence that enables legal teams to better serve their clients and organizations in an increasingly uncertain world.
Before cofounding Hence in 2020, West was global deputy CEO of Eurasia Group, a global affairs advisory firm, where he advised CEOs, general counsel and investors on geopolitical and legal risk. He is also a lecturer at the University of California, Berkeley, School of Law.
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