LawNext

LawNext is a weekly podcast hosted by Bob Ambrogi, who is internationally known for his writing and speaking on legal technology and innovation. Each week, Bob interviews the innovators and entrepreneurs who are driving what’s next in the legal industry. From legal technology startups to new law firm business models to enhancing access to justice, Bob and his guests explore the future of law and legal practice.

Ep 287: From Ravel Cofounder to Knowable CEO, Nik Reed Has Learned that Building Quality AI for Legal Takes A Lot of Hard Work 04/15/2025

Ep 287: From Ravel Cofounder to Knowable CEO, Nik Reed Has Learned that Building Quality AI for Legal Takes A Lot of Hard Work In the gold rush of generative AI, it seems that every legal tech vendor wants to be a one-stop shop for legal technology. But after 15 years of developing legal tech, , CEO of , a legal technology company devoted to helping enterprises bring order and organization to their executed agreements, believes that lawyers should be wary of the hype. Often, the most successful AI solutions are those that focus on solving specific problems exceptionally well rather than attempting to be all things to all lawyers. On today’s LawNext, Reed joins host Bob Ambrogi for a conversation that explores what makes legal AI actually work well in practice. It is a topic he has been thinking about, in one form or another, since he was still a student at Stanford Law School, where he co-founded the legal research startup Ravel with classmate Daniel Lewis in 2012. After LexisNexis acquired Ravel in 2017, Reed moved into strategic product management there, and then joined Knowable in 2019 to lead its product research and development. He became the company’s CEO last November, just as the company launched Ask Knowable, its generative AI suite. In a conversation that explores what makes legal AI actually work in practice, Reed emphasizes the critical importance of pristine data environments, high-quality metadata, and clearly defined use cases. “It's still hard to build really good products, especially for lawyers, and it takes a lot of hard work,” Reed says. “ And anyone that's telling you that that's not the truth is probably already a product that you shouldn't be using.” But ultimately, he believes, AI has the potential to restore balance to legal practice by handling the rote work lawyers never wanted to do, allowing them to return to what they went to law school for – critical reasoning and solving complex problems. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . Never miss a call, with expert answering service for Lawyers. , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). : Save time with fast, human-powered legal transcription—so you can focus on your practice If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/36169215

Ep 286: When the Unthinkable Becomes Real: Three Legal Tech Leaders On Losing Their Homes To The Los Angeles Wildfires 04/08/2025

Ep 286: When the Unthinkable Becomes Real: Three Legal Tech Leaders On Losing Their Homes To The Los Angeles Wildfires In January, a merciless firestorm swept through the Pacific Palisades and surrounding areas of Los Angeles, becoming the most destructive wildfire in the city's history. Driven by hurricane-force Santa Ana winds and fueled by record-dry conditions, the Palisades Fire destroyed over 6,800 structures, burned nearly 24,000 acres, and dramatically altered the lives of thousands of residents. Among them were three individuals with deep ties to the legal tech community, each of whom lost their home to the fire. This week on LawNext, we speak with those three individuals: Valerie Chan, founder of the legal PR firm Platform PR. Rick Merrill, former founder of Gavalytics and current COO of Bridgeline Solutions. Adam Camras, co-founder of Lawgical, longtime CEO of the Legal Talk Network, and chief collaboration officer at InfoTrack. These three legal tech leaders share their harrowing experiences as the flames approached, the devastating aftermath of losing their homes, and their ongoing journey of recovery and rebuilding. Their stories offer a rare and intimate glimpse into how even those with resources and professional expertise face overwhelming challenges when confronted with natural disaster. From the initial evacuation decisions to battles with insurance companies and uncertain rebuilding timelines, this conversation reveals both the practical realities and profound emotional impact of sudden, catastrophic loss. We also want to mention a related project, , in which the legal tech community, spearheaded by Clio, worked together to launch a website devoted to providing legal resources related to the LA fires, both for victims of the fires and legal professionals working on behalf of those victims. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . Never miss a call, with expert answering service for Lawyers. , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). : Save time with fast, human-powered legal transcription—so you can focus on your practice If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/36060245

Ep 285: Mark Cohen and Dierk Schindler On The Union Of the Digital Legal Exchange and the Liquid Legal Institute 04/01/2025

Ep 285: Mark Cohen and Dierk Schindler On The Union Of the Digital Legal Exchange and the Liquid Legal Institute As reported yesterday in an exclusive at LawSites blog, two leading international legal transformation organizations, the (DLEx) and the (LLI), have joined forces in a strategic union that brings together more than 1,500 members representing more than 140 multinational corporations, organizations, institutions and agencies across more than 20 countries. On today’s LawNext, two of the principles of that union — Mark Cohen, chairman emeritus of DLEx, and Dr. Dierk Schindler, cofounder of LLI — join host Bob Ambrogi to discuss their vision of creating the world’s leading think tank for legal transformation. Among the topics they discuss: The origins and evolution of both organizations. How their complementary approaches — LLI's grassroots community spanning all levels of organizations and DLEx's executive-level focus — will create greater impact together. What "legal transformation" means in today's rapidly evolving environment. How businesses are driving change in the legal function. The importance of mindset in transformation. Plans for future collaboration, including joint projects and events. Listen to gain unique insights into how these organizations aim to shape the future of legal through collective effort and a truly global perspective. About the Guests Mark Cohen is the chairman emeritus of DLEx and founder of Legal Mosaic. With nearly 50 years in the legal industry, Mark has been a prosecutor, partner at a major law firm, founder of his own firm, and head of an international aviation parts business. He writes for Forbes and teaches at law and business schools around the world. Dr. Dierk Schindler is a co-founder of the Liquid Legal Institute. He holds a Ph.D. in European law and has extensive experience in private practice and in-house legal departments. Schindler has been a driving force in legal innovation and process-driven legal operations. Related Resources (book publication) Upcoming events: Legal Tech Talk 2025 (London, June 26-27, 2025) and LLI's 2025 Summit (Düsseldorf, July 7-8, 2025) Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . Never miss a call, with expert answering service for Lawyers. , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). : Save time with fast, human-powered legal transcription—so you can focus on your practice If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/35959645

Ep 284: Relativity CEO Phil Saunders on the Future of Legal Data, Gen AI, and the Shifting Landscape of Law 03/25/2025

Ep 284: Relativity CEO Phil Saunders on the Future of Legal Data, Gen AI, and the Shifting Landscape of Law “The landscape we all stand on is shifting, and massive amounts of change are upon us,” , the chief executive officer of e-discovery and legal technology giant , recently wrote in . Driving that change are three transformative forces, he wrote: new legal data challenges, advancing generative AI, and legal’s journey to the cloud. On this episode of LawNext, Saunders – who joined Relativity as CEO in 2022 after three decades in the technology sector – joins host Bob Ambrogi to discuss why he believes that both Relativity and the legal industry at large are at a pivotal moment, and to outline his company’s vision for navigating these three forces reshaping the legal technology landscape. Within Saunders’ blog post was a notable announcement: Starting in 2028, Relativity will require that all new matters be hosted on its cloud platform, RelativityOne – a significant milestone for a company that built its success on its on-premises Relativity Server product. The conversation starts there, with what might be considered the last mile in the company’s transition to the cloud. Saunders also discusses what attracted him to join Relativity, how the company is approaching the opportunities and challenges presented by generative AI, its work with the Legal Data Intelligence initiative, and his longer-term strategic vision for Relativity. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . Never miss a call, with expert answering service for Lawyers. Legalweek, March 24-27, New York Hilton Midtown. Register today at . , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/35855415

Ep 283: SurePoint CEO Eric Thurston on Acquiring ZenCase and His Vision for Mid-Market Practice Management 03/19/2025

Ep 283: SurePoint CEO Eric Thurston on Acquiring ZenCase and His Vision for Mid-Market Practice Management Recently, legal technology company acquired the legal practice management company in a strategic move aimed at enhancing SurePoint’s practice management offerings for mid-sized law firms. In this episode of LawNext, , who recently marked his two-year anniversary as CEO of SurePoint Technologies, joins host Bob Ambrogi to discuss the acquisition and share his perspective on the mid-market landscape in law. Originally founded in 1982 as Rippe & Kingston, SurePoint has established itself as a leading provider of financial and practice management software for mid-sized law firms, currently serving nearly 1,000 customers. As Thurston explains in the interview, the acquisition of ZenCase strengthens its front-end capabilities with features tailored specifically for lawyers. The acquisition helps SurePoint "leapfrog innovation by about three years," he says, while addressing customer demands for more lawyer-friendly interfaces. The conversation also explores SurePoint's earlier acquisition of Leopard Solutions, a business intelligence platform that provides comprehensive data on attorneys and law firms across the country, enabling everything from strategic recruiting to competitor analysis. Thurston explains how they've already integrated Leopard's analytics into ZenCase, allowing lawyers to quickly access valuable industry data. Looking at the mid-market practice management landscape, Thurston acknowledges that it is currently fragmented, but he believes SurePoint is positioned to become "the Clio of the mid-market." He outlines the company's vision to help firms not just manage their practices but accelerate growth through better technology, data analytics, and business intelligence. With a philosophy that "you're either growing or dying," Thurston shares how he believes SurePoint continues to evolve while helping law firms do the same. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . Never miss a call, with expert answering service for Lawyers. Legalweek, March 24-27, New York Hilton Midtown. Register today at . , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/35772240

Ep 282: How A New Documentary Aims To Raise Public Awareness Of The Access To Justice Crisis 03/11/2025

Ep 282: How A New Documentary Aims To Raise Public Awareness Of The Access To Justice Crisis On this week’s show: LawNext takes you to the movies. Well, to a specific movie, anyway – a documentary being made to raise public awareness and understanding of the access to justice crisis in this country. Today’s guests are the film’s director, documentary filmmaker , who previously directed The Tent Mender, about homelessness on Skid Row in Los Angeles, and , a legal innovation leader – and two-time previous guest on this show ( and ) – who is serving as a producer and advisor to the documentary. You may know Markovich as executive director of the Justice Technology Association and for as vice president of the American Arbitration Association’s thought leadership and research arm. The documentary, called Justice: Just A Promise?, has been given unprecedented access to film inside the courthouses of the Los Angeles County court system – the largest court system in the world and one where litigants unable to get a lawyer present enormous challenges to the civil justice system. As this episode airs, the filmmakers have just launched an to raise the money they need to complete and distribute the film. During today’s conversation, you’ll hear about that campaign, including Hand’s surprising explanation of why she went that route to raise funds. You will also learn all about the making of the film and how the filmmakers aim to raise awareness about a nationwide crisis that far too few are even aware of, let alone understand. Check out . Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . Never miss a call, with expert answering service for Lawyers. Legalweek, March 24-27, New York Hilton Midtown. Register today at . If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/35640300

Ep 281: Eve CEO Jay Madheswaran on Building AI-Native Law Firms for the Plaintiffs’ Bar 03/03/2025

Ep 281: Eve CEO Jay Madheswaran on Building AI-Native Law Firms for the Plaintiffs’ Bar After building his career as an engineer at Facebook and as a venture capitalist at Lightspeed Venture Partners, and his cofounders spotted an opportunity to deploy cutting-edge AI to transform what they saw as an underserved segment of the legal market, launching , an AI platform purpose-built for plaintiffs’ law firms. Eve has quickly gained traction, recently securing a $47 million Series A round led by Andreessen Horowitz, and boasting 800% year-over-year growth. But what makes Eve’s story particularly interesting is its mission to transform traditional plaintiffs’ firms into what Madheswaran calls "AI-native law firms" – where technology does not just automate tasks but fundamentally changes how legal services are delivered, in part by encoding firms’ unique knowledge and processes into intelligent systems. In today’s episode, Madheswaran joins host Bob Ambrogi to explain his concept of AI-native law firms and describe how Eve's technology can help firms double or triple their caseloads by automating everything from case-intake analysis to document drafting, all while learning to work in each firm's unique voice and style. He also discusses the challenges of building trust with lawyers around AI and his vision for increasingly specialized legal services in an AI-powered future. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). Never miss a call, with expert answering service for Lawyers. Legalweek, March 24-27, New York Hilton Midtown. Register today at . If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/35516650

Ep 280: Is Arbitrus.ai the Future of Dispute Resolution? 02/24/2025

Ep 280: Is Arbitrus.ai the Future of Dispute Resolution? Earlier this month, a legal tech startup called Fortuna Arbitration launched what it says is – an automated arbitration system called that the company claims can fully replace human arbitrators in resolving legal disputes. The system promises to cut the cost of arbitration from an average of $100,000 to just $10,000, while delivering consistent, unbiased decisions within 72 hours. On this week’s LawNext, our guests are two of the founders behind this ambitious project. is a partner at Husch Blackwell and an experienced commercial litigator. He is also the inventor of the , a computer keyboard designed for lawyers that was . And is the CEO of Fortuna Arbitration and a current third-year Harvard Law student who, along with third co-founder Kenny McLaren, has been working on AI legal prediction systems since well before he went to law school. They've , showing zero hallucinations across 100 test cases. They believe their system will not only make arbitration faster and cheaper, but could eventually evolve into what they call an 'Arbitration State' – a private legal system that could handle a significant portion of disputes that currently clog our courts. Is this AI judge the future of dispute resolution? Or are there fundamental aspects of legal decision-making that require human judgment? In today’s episode, we'll explore these questions and more. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). Never miss a call, with expert answering service for Lawyers. Legalweek, March 24-27, New York Hilton Midtown. Register today at . If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/35411125

Ep 279: Upsolve’s Jonathan Petts and Ben Jackson on Building the TurboTax for Bankruptcy and Fighting UPL Restrictions 02/18/2025

Ep 279: Upsolve’s Jonathan Petts and Ben Jackson on Building the TurboTax for Bankruptcy and Fighting UPL Restrictions When former Wall Street lawyer joined forces in 2016 with , then a research assistant in Harvard Law School’s Access to Justice Lab, and , a software engineer, to create Upsolve, they had a simple but powerful vision: make bankruptcy filing as accessible as online tax preparation for Americans crushed by debt. Today, their nonprofit has helped over 16,000 low-income families discharge more than $700 million in debt through Chapter 7 bankruptcy – all at no cost to users. In this episode of LawNext, host Bob Ambrogi is joined by Petts, now Upsolve’s CEO, and , an ex-Uber driver who joined Upsolve’s founding team after his first year of law school and who is now chief product officer. They share their personal journeys that led them to create Upsolve, from Petts' experience as a big firm lawyer helping pro bono clients get fresh starts to Jackson's own struggles with $60,000 in credit card debt. They detail how Upsolve works, who it serves, and how they maintain quality while providing free services.They also discuss how they're leveraging AI to expand their impact, their battle against unauthorized practice of law restrictions in a groundbreaking federal lawsuit in New York, and their mission to help Americans rebuild their financial futures. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). Never miss a call, with expert answering service for Lawyers. If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/35336450

Ep 278: Standardizing Legal Agreements: How OneNDA and OneSaaS Aim to Transform Business Contracting 02/11/2025

Ep 278: Standardizing Legal Agreements: How OneNDA and OneSaaS Aim to Transform Business Contracting When it comes to contract negotiations, lawyers often find themselves spending countless hours haggling over standard agreements such as NDAs and SaaS contracts, with both sides often saying more or less the same thing, but in different words. What if there was a better way? Today’s guests believe there is. , chief legal officer at and founder of the successful oneNDA initiative, and , Law Insider president, are on a mission to revolutionize contract negotiations by developing and open-sourcing a suite of standard agreements. They started with oneNDA, which has been adopted by over 6,000 organizations and used in an estimated 10 million agreements annually, and they have . Now, they are setting their sights on developing a full library of standard, open-source agreements. Japonas shares how her experience as a lawyer at the European Space Agency initially shaped her vision for contract standardization, and she explains the methodology behind the development of oneSaaS, which involved analysis of nearly 1,000 existing agreements and incorporated feedback from hundreds of legal professionals and SaaS providers. Clark joins midway through the show to discuss Law Insider's plans to build a comprehensive ecosystem of standardized agreements, supported by AI-powered contract automation technology. He outlines how the company plans to transform routine contract work while maintaining its commitment to keeping these standards freely available to the legal community. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). Never miss a call, with expert answering service for Lawyers. If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/35238140

Ep 277: CEO Nikole Nelson Returns to LawNext with An Update on Frontline Justice’s Mission to Empower Justice Workers and Bridge the Justice Gap 02/03/2025

Ep 276: Reflections On 25 Years Of Innovation In Legal Aid, With The LSC’s Longtime Program Counsel Glenn Rawdon 01/28/2025

Ep 276: Reflections On 25 Years Of Innovation In Legal Aid, With The LSC’s Longtime Program Counsel Glenn Rawdon Earlier this month, the Legal Services Corporation, the largest funder of civil legal aid in the United States, held its annual Innovations in Technology Conference in Phoenix. This year’s conference was particularly special for two reasons. For one, it was the conference’s 25th anniversary, as well as the 25th anniversary of the Technology Initiative Grants program that was the genesis of the conference. For another, this year’s conference followed the official retirement in November of Glenn Rawdon, the person who got the conference started in the first place and who oversaw it all these years. As program counsel at the LSC since 1999, it was Rawdon’s job to assist legal services programs with their technology efforts, manage the LSC’s technology grants, and make this conference happen every year. Rawdon is our guest this week, as he sits down with host Bob Ambrogi to share the origin story and evolution of the two groundbreaking LSC initiatives he helped launch and oversee — the TIG program and the ITC conference (long known as the TIG conference). From the conference’s humble beginnings as a gathering of 32 people in New Orleans in 2000, Rawdon explains how it grew into what many now consider the premier global event focused on technology and access to justice, this year drawing 700 attendees and 150 presenters from around the world. He also discusses how the TIG program, which started with a $7.5 million budget funding mainly website projects, evolved to support more sophisticated technology initiatives aimed at expanding access to legal services. Drawing from his unique background as a solo practitioner who embraced technology in the 1980s to improve his own efficiency, Rawdon shares insights about the initially tentative but gradually expanding role of technology in legal aid organizations. He discusses key milestones like the development of document assembly tools, online intake systems, and statewide legal information websites — innovations that helped transform how legal aid is delivered. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). Never miss a call, with expert answering service for Lawyers. If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/35055185

Ep 275: Can AI Bridge the Justice Gap? Legal Aid Lawyer and Innovator Sateesh Nori Thinks So 01/21/2025

Ep 275: Can AI Bridge the Justice Gap? Legal Aid Lawyer and Innovator Sateesh Nori Thinks So From legal aid attorney to legal tech innovator, brings a unique perspective to the intersection of artificial intelligence and access to justice. After spending two decades in the trenches as a housing lawyer at legal aid offices in New York City, Nori now bridges multiple worlds – continuing his legal aid work at the Legal Aid Society of NYC while also serving as an adjunct clinical professor at NYU Law School in its eviction defense clinic and working as a senior legal innovation strategist at , a technology consulting firm that focuses on legal services providers. He recently partnered with , a nonprofit tenants’ rights organization in NYC, and , the legal automation company, to develop and launch Roxanne, an AI-powered tool to help tenants understand their repair rights, and he believes artificial intelligence could be the key to finally making meaningful progress in closing the justice gap. As if all that were not enough to keep Nori busy, he recently published a memoir, , and gave a TEDx talk, . Today, in a conversation recorded live at the Legal Services Corporation’s Innovations in Technology conference in Phoenix last week, Nori and host Bob Ambrogi discuss why he believes that AI is as transformative as electricity, how he is using it in his own work, and why he believes law schools are failing to prepare students for the AI revolution. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/34942865

Ep 274: Insights on Leadership and Innovation in Legal Education, with Anastasia Boyko 01/13/2025

Ep 274: Insights on Leadership and Innovation in Legal Education, with Anastasia Boyko likes to say that she’s Goldilocks-ed her way through her career. True, it’s been a varied career, as she’s tried out different roles, but it is a career that has taken her full circle, from Yale Law School, where she graduated, and then eventually back to Yale Law to create a program in leadership for lawyers, and from Salt Lake City, where she grew up after she and her mother fled Soviet-era Ukraine, and then back to that city as chief innovation officer at the University of Utah’s S.J. Quinney College of Law. Along the way, Boyko has learned a thing or two about the roles of leadership and innovation in legal education, and she has strong opinions about why law schools should do better at preparing students to be both leaders and innovators. In today’s LawNext, Boyko joins host Bob Ambrogi to share the journey of her Goldilocks-ed career and her insights on leadership and innovation, as well as ac-cess to justice. After graduating from Yale Law School, Boyko began her career in private practice as a tax lawyer. She went on to hold diverse professional positions, including law librarian, Supreme Court intern, banker, yoga teacher, wellness entrepreneur, and career coach. She returned to Yale Law as the inaugural dean of the school’s Tsai Leadership Program, where she developed an innovative leadership program for lawyers, and returned to the University of Utah’s law school, first as director of non-J.D. programs and then as chief innovation officer. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . local everywhere. , reliable court reporting with a revolutionary approach , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/34840195

Ep 273: A Deep Dive Into Washington’s Newly Approved Pilot to Allow Non-Lawyer Entities to Practice Law 01/06/2025

Ep 273: A Deep Dive Into Washington’s Newly Approved Pilot to Allow Non-Lawyer Entities to Practice Law On Dec. 5, in a move to enhance access to justice, the Supreme Court of the state of Washington authorizing a regulatory reform pilot program by which entities not owned by lawyers will be able to deliver legal services. The move makes Washington only the third state, after Utah and Arizona, to approve a comprehensive change to the longstanding rule that only entities owned by lawyers can practice law. The pilot, which will last for 10 years, is designed to test whether entity regulation will increase access to justice by enhancing access to affordable and reliable legal and law-related services. Entities approved to operate under the pilot will be allowed to practice law, but only under strict conditions that limit the duration of their operations and that require active monitoring and oversight. To discuss the development and details of this pilot, we are joined today by two guests representing the two organizations that proposed this pilot to the court and that will now be tasked with partnering to get it up and running. They are: , executive director of the , and , a Washington lawyer and member of the Washington Supreme Court’s . Their share their perspectives on how this pilot could enhance access to justice and what the development means for regulatory reform more broadly. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . local everywhere. , reliable court reporting with a revolutionary approach , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/34741550

Ep 272: In Which Gen AI Takes Over this Podcast to Discuss Law Practice Management Technology 12/17/2024

Ep 272: In Which Gen AI Takes Over this Podcast to Discuss Law Practice Management Technology On today’s LawNext: we hand over the podcast to NotebookLM to discuss the state of law practice management technology. If you haven’t heard of NotebookLM, it is a generative AI tool from Google that turns your documents into engaging audio discussions. Its output sounds a whole lot like, well, a podcast, with two hosts chatting it up about your documents. To quote Google’s own description, “With one click, two AI hosts start up a lively “deep dive” discussion based on your sources. They summarize your material, make connections between topics, and banter back and forth.” So we decided to give it a try. Back in September, LawNext host Bob Ambrogi wrote a four-part series on his LawSites blog called, “The Shrinking Ownership of Law Practice Management Technology.” It was a deep dive into how ownership of law practice management software for solo and small law firms has been consolidated under just six major ownership groups. We loaded the four parts of that series into NotebookLM and asked it to generate its audio overview. What you’ll hear today is the discussion it generated, followed by Bob’s thoughts on what it produced. The NotebookLM audio is about 15 minutes long, and Bob’s comments will come after that plays. It is important to keep in mind that the audio generated by NotebookLM is not simply a summary. The two speakers do summarize key points from Bob’s articles, but they also add interpretations and perspectives that are nowhere to be found in the original source material. Here are the articles on which the audio is based: . . . . Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . local everywhere. , reliable court reporting with a revolutionary approach , Securely send, store, and share files – plus discover document workflows designed to improve your client experience. If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/34487790

Ep 271: NGAGE’s Paul Henry On How Law Firms Can Use Behavioral Analytics to Drive Tech Adoption 12/11/2024

Ep 270: How One Legal Tech Company Is Donating Its Software To Pursue Justice In Atrocity Crimes 12/02/2024

Ep 269: As She Retires From a Trailblazing Career in Legal KM and Innovation, Sally Gonzalez Shares Lessons Learned 11/25/2024

Ep 268: How Gen AI Can Be A Game-Changer for Discovery and Litigation, with Everlaw CEO AJ Shankar 11/19/2024

Ep 267: How A Legal Services Agency Developed An Award-Winning KM Portal to Enhance Access to Justice 11/11/2024

Ep 267: How A Legal Services Agency Developed An Award-Winning KM Portal to Enhance Access to Justice At the held recently in New York City, was named as the inaugural winner of the LexPrize award, which is designed to recognize groundbreaking ideas in knowledge management and innovation for the legal industry. It won for its development of the Legal Services NYC KM Portal, a custom-built knowledge management portal designed to enable its legal professionals to more easily access important resources and more effectively collaborate with each other. LSNYC, whose 12 offices and more than 500 attorneys serve nearly 110,000 clients annually, developed the portal in partnership with , a company that helps law firms and legal organizations develop innovative projects. Designed to be a home for user-submitted and curated knowledge that is easily searchable, LSNYC describes the portal as one part social network, one part intranet, and one part enterprise search. LawNext host Bob Ambrogi was at the KM&I for Legal conference and had the opportunity to sit down there with two of the people who were instrumental in the portal’s design and development: , chief operating officer at Legal Services NYC. , chief operating officer at Sente Advisors. In today’s episode, Horwitz and Boyd share the story of the problem they set out to solve, the constraints they had to work within, and how they went about doing it. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). local everywhere. If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/33885127

Ep 266: Live from #ClioCon: Clio’s CTO Jonathan Watson on the Development of Clio Duo, Its Gen AI Legal Assistant 11/07/2024

Ep 265: The LegalTech Fund’s Zach Posner on Investing in Legal Tech (and His Upcoming Summit) 11/04/2024

Ep 264: Live from #ClioCon: A Deep Dive into the 2024 Clio Legal Trends Report, with Joshua Lenon, Clio’s Lawyer in Residence 10/28/2024

Ep 263: Live from #ClioCon: A Clio Power Trio: COO Ronnie Gurion, CFO Curt Sigfstead, and Board Member Mark Britton 10/21/2024

Ep 263: Live from #ClioCon: A Clio Power Trio: COO Ronnie Gurion, CFO Curt Sigfstead, and Board Member Mark Britton This has been a significant year for the law practice management company Clio, which in July raised a – the largest ever for a legal tech company, and which recently wrapped up its 12th annual , its largest ever with some 2,600 attendees in person in Austin, Texas, and almost as many attending virtually from all over the globe. At the conference, LawNext host Bob Ambrogi sat down for a live interview with a “Clio power trio” of two of its top executives and a member of its board of directors. They talk about the implications of this raise and its impact on the law practice management landscape. Together for this interview are: , chief operating officer and former GM and global head of Uber for Business. , chief financial officer, responsible for Clio’s financial affairs, including finance, accounting, capital, treasury, taxation, and corporate development. , an investor in Clio and member of its board of directors and investor and formerly the founder, chairman and CEO of Avvo. They share their perspectives on the financing and the opportunities it presents. They also discuss why investors are showing greater interest in legal tech, consolidation within the legal tech industry, and the possibility of Clio going public. Note that , also recorded live at the conference, featured Jack Newton, Clio’s founder and CEO. Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/33559077

Ep 262: Live from #ClioCon: Clio CEO Jack Newton on Generative AI and the New Duo AI Legal Assistant 10/15/2024

Ep 261: A Year Into His Tenure at UnitedLex, CEO James Schellhase on How the Company Is Embracing Innovation 09/30/2024

Ep 260: A Deep Dive Into Filevine’s New Gen AI Tools for Litigators 09/24/2024

Ep 260: A Deep Dive Into Filevine’s New Gen AI Tools for Litigators At its recent customer conference in Salt Lake City, called LEX Summit, the case management company unveiled a number of product releases and updates. Among them were several products for litigators driven by generative AI, including a first-of-its-kind tool, Depo CoPilot, that helps guide a lawyer during a deposition, and another, DemandsAI, that generates settlement demand letters in the lawyer’s own voice and style. On today’s LawNext, we do a deep dive into those new products with the two executives who oversee product development at Filevine, , chief product officer, and , vice president of product. LawNext host Bob Ambrogi was at LEX Summit and sat down with Anderson and McLaughlin for this live conversation. As Ambrogi wrote in , it is like having a guardian angel on your shoulder during a deposition, analyzing and transcribing the questions and answers in real time to help ensure the lawyer achieves the desired goals, avoids unclear questions and identifies inconsistent answers. In today’s episode, you will learn more about what it can do and how it works. Note that this is our second episode from LEX Summit. , we featured conversations recorded there live with three of Filevine’s leaders: Ryan Anderson, the company’s cofounder and CEO; Nathan Morris, cofounder and chief culture officer; and Cain Elliott, head legal futurist. Also, Ryan Anderson was previously a guest on this show on April 27, 2022, so if you are interested in hearing from him in greater depth, . Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. , home to the practice management platforms , , and ; the e-payments platform ; and the legal accounting software . , eliminating routine discovery response and request drafting tasks so you can focus on drafting what matters (or just make it home for dinner). If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts. /episode/index/show/lawnext/id/33179127

Ep 259: Live from Filevine’s LEX Summit: Interviews with Three of Its Leaders 09/17/2024

Ep 258: How One Legal Tech Startup Is Simplifying Data Collection from Mobile Devices 09/12/2024

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