Episode 305 - Building Iconic Bar Programs with Toby Maloney
Release Date: 10/30/2025
The Modern Bar Cart Podcast
This is a live recording of a seminar I presented at the Rum Summit about a month ago at the American Distilling Institute conference and trade show in Miami. The title of the presentation is S.C.U.B.A (Submerging Casks Under Bodies Aquatic) and it’s my somewhat maximalist attempt to survey the wet, weird subject of underwater cask maturation in the spirits and (surprisingly) cocktail space. Our last interview with the gents from Reef Rum Supply obviously plays heavily into this topic, so if you haven’t tuned into that, I’d recommend it, but there’s also quite a bit of new info in this...
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In this aquatic maturation deep-dive with Danny and Billy Dalla Polla, Eddie Odabachian, and Nick Carmer of , creators of the Seagroni, some of the topics we discuss include: The genesis story of the project, starting with the question: “what if there was sunken treasure in this reef?,” and culminating in a fateful Negroni week experiment that changed everything. What happens to spirits and cocktails when they’re barrel aged under water, as compared to the conditions and results you might expect from standard, terrestrial warehouse conditions. How consumers have been reacting to the...
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This time around, we explore the fascinating flavors of different Drambuie releases. If you haven’t heard of it, it’s a honey and whiskey liqueur made in Scotland, and if you have heard of it…well, you know that you can’t make a Rusty Nail cocktail without it. In this episode, the bottles we taste through include: Today’s Drambuie base expression A bottle from maybe 4 or 5 years ago…just to see if it’s the same juice A vintage bottle from the ‘70s or ‘80s A 1980s-era Drambuie decanter special release Drambuie 15-year old (made, of course, with 15-year-old whiskey) And we...
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In this Down Under conversation with James Young of Old Young’s Distillery, some of the topics we discuss include: The influence and defining characteristics of the Australian cocktail scene, which differs starkly from what you might find when you travel to Europe and is responsible for such mixological gifts as Mr. Black Coffee liqueur and the butterfly pea coloring craze. How to plan your travel itinerary around tasting delicious spirits in every state in Australia, including whisky in Tasmania, Gin & Brandy in Western Australia, and rum up in Queensland and Kununurra. The growing...
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In part one of my two-part waltz through the flavors and landscapes of Australia with James Young of , some of the topics we discuss include: The history and evolution of the Australian distilling industry, specifically with respect to the development of the Australian whisky scene and the rise of distinct gin and rum traditions. The impact of Australian agriculture and wine on the types of grains, casks, and other production choices that have come to define Australian whisky on the world stage. The flavor and culture phenomenon that is Australian gin, including the story behind Four...
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In part two of my exploration of flavor and memory with , some of the topics we discuss include: What the Big 5 personality index (also known as OCEAN) might be able to teach us about how guests think about factors like novelty and comfort in the cocktails they enjoy. The difference between the highest-rated drink (on average) on most Castalia menus, versus the highest-rated drinks for specific individuals. How people respond when asked to describe their ideal cocktail - including the aesthetics and memories they tended to focus on, and which qualities they most often left out of the...
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In this data-driven conversation with , some of the topics we discuss include: How winding down Castalia and Sfumato after a decade of service provided the impetus for , and why Kevin has set out to address a very different set of questions than in his last book, Cocktail Theory. Why matching a person with their ideal drink is very different (and much more difficult, it turns out) from trying to make the optimal Old Fashioned or Negroni or Daiquiri. This leads to a conversation about all the variables that go into cocktail preference: sweetness, acidity, bitterness, booziness,...
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In this fascinating conversation with Max Well and Alex Lamb, directors of , some of the topics we discuss include: How a COVID-era YouTube short on the history of Tiki in LA snowballed into a full-length feature film on one of the most iconic bar entrepreneurs of the 20th century: Ernest Gantt, AKA Donn Beach, AKA "Don the Beachcomber." The way that stop-motion puppetry and clever era-appropriate animations were used to give Donn an embodied presence in his own story, with audio unearthed from a single set of tapes uncovered at the University of Hawaii. The interesting ironies that run...
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Eric kicks off 2026 with an audio essay rant targeted at the ham-fisted "percentage" math that people use to answer the question: "How much of a whiskey's flavor comes from the barrel?" In the censored words of George Carlin: "It's all BS, and it's bad for ya." To demonstrate this, we sift through GC-MS whiskey sample results, human neurobiology, and behavioral economics. In the end, it's a poorly posed question invented to solve a problem that doesn't exist, and it colors our expectations about flavor in harmful ways.
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This time around, we’ll be taking a look at drinking rituals from around the world. A few months back, my friend asked me to write an article about drinking rituals for her new publication, . She has graciously agreed to let me read the article on-air and give you all a bit of a “Director’s Cut” version of the article, entitled: . For those of you who have the opportunity to enjoy a few drinks with family and friends this holiday season, I hope some of these thoughts about the importance of ritual, hospitality, gratitude, and the sometimes radical act of coming together can help...
info_outlineIn this modern classic conversation with bartender and beverage consultant Toby Maloney, some of the topics we discuss include:
- Toby’s journey through the food and beverage world, from bussing and dishwashing, to culinary school, to tending bar, eventually landing gigs at famous venues like Milk & Honey, and Pegu Club, and going on to open The Violet Hour in Chicago.
- The decisions and philosophies (plus the techniques and ingredients) that allowed Toby and his cohort at The Violet Hour to open the hearts and minds of the people of Chicago to the paradigm shift that was the Cocktail Renaissance.
- What it’s like to open a bar in 2025, specifically with respect to the ingredients and philosophies that carry over well from the last 15-20 years, and which practices and vibes might need a refresh.
- Then, we take a close look at how Toby is setting the tone at The Elbow Room with pre-batched “Flavor Booms,” free pours, dirty dumps, a Hawthorne strainer moratorium, and other service speed innovations.
- Along the way, we learn why people hated The Violet Hour Team at first, how to “David-Chang-ify” a food or beverage program, why Gen Z is primed for their “Fern Bar” moment, and much, much more.
If you like this conversation with Toby, well buckle up for part 2, where we dig even deeper into how he develops cocktails, complete with a live, on-air cocktail building exercise. But for now, please enjoy part 1 of this super fun interview with Toby Maloney.