How to Escape the Debt Cycle the Banks Want You Trapped In w/ Harrison George and Christy Vann
Release Date: 11/06/2025
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info_outlineFor most people, debt isn’t a mistake; it’s just life. The mortgage, the car loan, and the credit cards are what everyone does. Making the minimum payments feels normal, but that actually keeps people stuck.
Millions of families are drowning in debt, and they’re barely managing. They’re working hard, keeping up with their bills, but almost every dollar they earn goes right back out in interest. They’re not moving forward; they’re treading water.
The hard part is, they’re not doing anything “wrong.” They’re doing what the system taught them to do: stay cash-poor while the banks collect.
People proudly lock in their 30-year loans at “record low rates,” convinced they’ve made the smartest financial move of their lives. But they don’t realize that even at 3%, they’re giving away hundreds of thousands in interest. That money could be building security, breathing room, and financial freedom.
What if the same dollars you’re paying the bank every month could start working for you instead? What if your paycheck could reduce your interest, shorten your payoff timeline, and create new cash flow, without earning a cent more?
In this episode, Velocity Banking expert Christy Vann and all-in-one loan expert Harrison George return.
We unpack how the system keeps you cash poor, and the simple shifts that can set you free. From using tools like the all-in-one first-lien HELOC to applying velocity and Infinite Banking principles, you’ll learn how to redirect your money and eliminate debt faster.
Things You’ll Learn In This Episode
The minimum-payment illusion
Most people think staying current on their bills means they’re managing their money well. What if that belief is the very thing keeping them broke?
The hidden cost of a low-rate mortgage
A 3% mortgage feels like a win, until you realize it’s still costing you hundreds of thousands in interest. How can you flip that money back in your favor?
Turning interest into opportunity
Every month, you hand a portion of your paycheck to the bank. What happens when you start redirecting that same money toward your own freedom instead?
The smarter way to get debt-free
You don’t have to earn more or live with less to change your situation. How do systems like the all-in-one HELOC, Velocity Banking, and Infinite Banking make that possible?
Guest Bio
Harrison George is a highly accomplished Mortgage Loan Officer at CMG Financial in Meridian, Idaho, specializing in both purchase and refinance solutions. With a degree from Colorado Mesa University, he has earned recognition as a Top Producer by Scotsman Guide for his exceptional loan performance. Harrison is a thought leader in mortgage innovations, particularly the "All‑in‑One Loan" concept using LinkedIn and YouTube to educate homeowners, investors, and realtors on how to build equity faster and achieve greater financial flexibility. Dedicated to client success, Harrison emphasizes transparent communication and customized strategies, earning consistently positive feedback from satisfied borrowers.
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Christy Vann is a Velocity Banking expert, coach, and founder of Vanntastic Finances. She is a financial educator teaching people how to become debt-free very, VERY quickly! Christy explores debt-relief options with individuals, so we all may live in total financial peace! For more information, head to https://vanntasticfinances.com/, subscribe to her YouTube channe,l and join her private Facebook group.
About Your Host
From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America’s #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier.
His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works.
Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.
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