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Yvon Chouinard – The Perpetual Pursuit of Simplicity

Release Date: 10/15/2025

Jason Gardner Returns – Fire, Leadership, and What Really Matters

Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson

Jason Gardner is a retired Navy SEAL who now works as a top-level leadership instructor with Echelon Front. Over his thirty-year career in the SEAL teams, he served in combat operations in Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan, later becoming Command Master Chief of SEAL Team Five and Training Detachment. Since retiring from the Navy, Jason has worked with hundreds of organizations as a leadership instructor and strategic advisor, helping teams apply high-stakes leadership principles to business and life. He now lives in a remote corner of northeastern Washington with his wife, Iris, and their two...

Todd Ulizio – Farming, Attention, and a Life Well Rooted

Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson

Todd Ulizio is the co-owner of Two Bear Farm, an organic vegetable farm in Whitefish, Montana, that’s quietly become a cornerstone of the Flathead Valley’s local food community. Alongside his wife Rebecca, Todd has spent nearly two decades growing food, building soil, and figuring out how to make a small, values-driven farm work in a world that doesn’t always make it easy. Todd’s path to farming was anything but direct. He grew up in Connecticut and followed a traditional educational and career path, eventually becoming an accountant at a prestigious Big 6 Firm. Experiencing success...

Sammy Matsaw Jr. – Salmon, Sovereignty, and the Long Work of Healing

Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson

Sammy Matsaw Jr. is the Director of the Columbia Basin Program at The Nature Conservancy, where he works at the intersection of salmon recovery, tribal sovereignty, and large-scale river restoration across one of the most complex watersheds in North America. In this role, Sammy helps guide conservation strategies that span state lines, political boundaries, and cultural histories—while keeping people, relationships, and responsibility at the center of the work. Sammy grew up on the Shoshone-Bannock Reservation, surrounded by salmon stories, land-based learning, and a deep sense of...

Ed’s Appearance on “My Favorite Things”

Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson

Today’s episode is a bit of a departure from the usual format. I’m re-sharing a recent conversation I had on my friend Brendan Leonard’s new podcast, . I’m sure most of y’all are already familiar with Brendan’s work, but for those of you who aren’t, he’s an author, illustrator, filmmaker, and creator of . Brendan’s new podcast is built around a simple but fascinating premise: conversations about the books, films, art, and creative works that have helped shape a person’s life and career. In this conversation, we spend less time on what I do, and more time on what’s...

Mike Schaedel - Restoring Balance to Fire-Adapted Landscapes

Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson

Mike Schaedel is the Western Montana Forest Restoration Director for The Nature Conservancy, where he leads some of the most ambitious and collaborative forest restoration work happening anywhere in the West. Based in Missoula, Mike works at the intersection of science, community partnerships, and land stewardship—helping restore fire-adapted forests, reduce wildfire risk, and improve the health and resilience of landscapes across the region. Mike’s career path is super interesting and anything but traditional. He grew up in Portland, fell in love with the mountains through rock climbing,...

SHED SESH: September & October 2025 Book Recommendations

Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson

This month marks ten full years of my bimonthly book-recommendations project—a decade of weird little paragraphs about the books that grab my scattered attention. Whether you’ve been here since the beginning or signed up five minutes ago, thank you. I’m still baffled anyone reads these things, but I’m grateful all the same. To mark the occasion, I recorded a late-night solo episode from The Shed, diving deeper into each of my September & October picks: why I chose them, what stayed with me, and the sometimes-unexpected lessons I gleaned from each of them. Or you could just describe...

Devon O’Neil — On Nature’s Power and the Price of Adventure

Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson

Devon O’Neil is a journalist, author, and longtime friend of mine whose new book "The Way Out: A True Story of Survival in the Heart of the Rockies" is one of the best pieces of outdoor nonfiction I’ve read in years. The book tells the harrowing true story of a backcountry ski trip near Leadville, Colorado, that turned tragic—and the years-long process of understanding what really happened, and how a mountain town wrestled with loss, resilience, and the complicated relationship we all have with risk and wild places. It’s gripping, deeply reported, and beautifully written—equal parts...

Carli Kierstead – Wyoming Forests and the Work of Keeping Water Flowing

Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson

Carli Kierstead is the Forest Program Director for The Nature Conservancy in Wyoming, where she leads efforts to understand and restore some of the West’s most critical—and often overlooked—ecosystems. From beetle kill and wildfire to drought, Wyoming’s forests face a range of challenges that ripple far beyond the state’s borders. These high-country forests are the headwaters of several major river basins, providing water to millions of people across the American West. In this conversation, Carli and I dig into the past, present, and future of Western forests—how management...

Bex Frucht — Story Wrangler! Vibe Steward! One of a Kind!

Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson

Bex Frucht is a force of nature—a storyteller and community builder whose work blends performance, land, and small-town life in the American West. Based in Livingston, Montana, she’s the founder of TMI Live, a storytelling series that celebrates vulnerability, humor, and human connection, and for the past three years, she’s been the “vibe steward” of the Old Salt Festival, where her talent for bringing people together has become legendary. Whether she’s hosting a show, coaching storytellers, or emceeing a fundraiser, Bex radiates generosity, intelligence, and positivity in a way...

Yvon Chouinard – The Perpetual Pursuit of Simplicity

Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson

Yvon Chouinard needs no introduction. The founder of Patagonia, pioneer of clean climbing, co-founder of 1% for the Planet, and lifelong advocate for simplicity and wildness, he’s one of the world’s most influential environmental leaders. Now in his mid-80s, Yvon continues to live, work, and fish by the same principles that have guided him since his dirtbag climbing days: live simply, take responsibility for your impact, and keep finding meaning through deep, direct engagement with nature. His newest book, “Pheasant Tail Simplicity: Recipes and Techniques for Successful Fly Fishing,”...

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His newest book, “Pheasant Tail Simplicity: Recipes and Techniques for Successful Fly Fishing,” distills those philosophies into one of his lifelong passions—fly fishing. Co-authored with his longtime fishing buddies Craig Mathews and Mauro Mazzo, Pheasant Tail Simplicity begins as a guide to tying and fishing with only pheasant-tail flies, and becomes a case study in creativity, restraint, and how simplifying our pursuits can reconnect us to what really matters. You don’t have to be a hardcore angler to glean important lessons from the book—its insights can be applied to almost any part of life.

In this conversation, Yvon and I start out talking about fly fishing, of course—but we quickly veer into broader terrain: how constraints can become a path to freedom, how business can be a demonstration of ethics, and how pessimism can serve as a productive form of realism. He shares a ton of amazing stories—learning to fish with a tenkara master in Italy, teaching Crow Reservation children to fly fish, founding 1% for the Planet, why rebellious personalities make the best entrepreneurs, his love of regenerative agriculture, and why he still believes that action—no matter how small—is the cure for depression. It’s a wide-ranging, funny, and wise discussion with someone who’s spent a lifetime proving that the process is far more important than the outcome.

During our conversation, you’ll hear us reference several of Patagonia’s pioneers—Kris Tompkins, Rick Ridgeway, and Vincent Stanley—all of whom I’ve interviewed here on Mountain & Prairie. If you’d like to listen to those episodes or check out their books, there are links in the episode notes.

A huge thank-you to Patagonia, Patagonia Books, Patagonia Fly Fishing, and of course Yvon for the opportunity to have this conversation. Like many of you listeners, I’ve been deeply influenced by Yvon’s work and worldview, so it was a dream come true to sit down with him for a long, relaxed conversation.

Be sure to check out “Pheasant Tail Simplicity” and the many other excellent titles from Patagonia Books. Thanks so much for listening—I hope you enjoy.

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“Pheasant Tail Simplicity”
“Simple Fly Fishing”
Patagonia Books
Patagonia Fly Fishing
M&P Interview with Kris Tompkins
M&P Interview with Rick Ridgeway
M&P interview with Vincent Stanley
Full episode notes and links: https://mountainandprairie.com/yvon-chouinard/

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TOPICS DISCUSSED:

2:50 - Intro, the blind fisherman in Labrador
5:37 - Why another book about flyfishing?
8:26 - The story of a Japanese tenkara rod
13:00 - It's the action that counts
16:03 - Democratic fly fishing
17:37 - Fishing emergers
19:45 - No shortcuts
25:12 - Simplifying sports
26:30 - Seeking constraints
29:06 - Juvenile delinquent energy
31:46 - A bug’s life
36:05 - Origins of 1% for the Planet
40:16 - Yvon’s regenerative ag interest
44:15 - Fighting climate change with market forces
46:36 - A happy pessimist
48:34 - Fly fishing forever
53:47 - Action as the anecdote to depression

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