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Jerry Butler & Curtis Mayfield: Their Forgotten Story: Music Historian Scott Shea

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Release Date: 03/24/2025

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Welcome to The Not Old Better Show, the podcast for those who believe life gets better—and even sweeter—with age. I’m your host, Paul Vogelzang, and today we’re diving into the soul-stirring legacy of two musical giants whose voices, harmonies, and vision shaped the very sound of a generation: Curtis Mayfield and Jerry Butler.

If you grew up spinning 45s on your record player or gathered around the radio to hear those smooth, soaring harmonies, then you already know that Mayfield and Butler weren’t just voices—they were storytellers, activists, and pioneers of a sound that broke barriers. Together, they helped shape the golden age of soul music, and their influence continues to inspire generations.

But did you know that before the world knew them as soul legends, they were just two young men from Chicago’s Cabrini-Green projects, united by gospel music, ambition, and a dream of something bigger? Today, we’ll uncover the fascinating story of how Jerry Butler and Curtis Mayfield met, formed the Impressions, and created hits like the unforgettable “For Your Precious Love.” We’ll also explore why Jerry’s path ultimately led him to go solo—and how Curtis turned his heartbreak into a revolutionary career that brought soul music into the Civil Rights Movement.

Joining us today is returning guest Scott Shea, a writer and expert in music history, whose latest article brings these incredible stories to life. From Curtis Mayfield’s genius as a songwriter to Jerry Butler’s powerful, underrated baritone, we’ll reflect on their journey, their struggles, and their lasting impact on American music and culture.

This one’s for the music lovers, the memory keepers, and anyone who remembers the days when a song could soothe your soul and spark a revolution. So grab a cup of coffee or tea, sit back, and let’s celebrate the legacy of two legends who reminded us all to “Keep on Pushing.”

I’m Paul Vogelzang, and this is The Not Old Better Show. Let’s get started.